Don:
Not sure about Calif., but in the Great State of Illinois, this is violation
of the
"Structural Engineering Act" which says that unless the SEOR (paraphrasing
here)
"Performs separate calculations and analysis sufficient to satisfy himself
that the design complies with all applicable codes" he cannot seal drawings
prepared by others.
Why on earth he would do that with shop drawings in the first place and take
on that liability, that's another matter.
His O and E carrier will go into the fetal position when he gets wind of
this.
No, if the shops are to be sealed (a spec requirement or larger projects
commonly), it must be by the steel fab's SE; not by the SEOR.
We get asked to provide sealed dwgs and calcs for precast components by the
City of Chicago, but they require that it be done by the PC's SE.
Actually, one time, when we were in a crunch, I actually (don't know why)
offered to seal the drawings of the precaster (VERY small project, after
doing the necessary checks, of course), but the City REFUSED to let us do
this.
Cheers,
David L. Fisher SE PE
Senior Director
The Fisher Companies Ltd. - Cayman
372 West Ontario Chicago 60610
75 Fort Street Georgetown Grand Cayman BWI
319 A Street Boston 02210
312.573.1701
312.573.1726 facsimile
312.622.0409 mobile
www.ccgch.com
www.fpse.com
-----Original Message-----
From: bruckmandesign@verizon.net [mailto:bruckmandesign@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:23 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: More wierd Bldg Dept. requests
I'm finishing up a big box construction up in NoCal, and as we go through
final inspections, the inspector asks for a closeout set of all the wet
stamped RFI clarification details that had been sent by the SE to the job.
Okay...I get that. The RFI responses, technically altered the permit docs
and should, I guess, be part of the record.
But, here's the stunner, at least to me: He then says he wants the SE to
also wet stamp and seal the structural steel shop drawings!!
I say to him, "...you mean, wet stamp with that catch-all, 'I reviewed 'em,
but take no responsibility for anything I saw' stamp?"
"No", he says, "I want a full set of shop drawings wet-stamped SEALED AND
SIGNED by your engineer."
Now, first off, I'm not even sure it's legal to do that, since the shop
drawings were not prepared by the SE; second, speaking with my architect's
hat on, no way I'd do such a thing short of there being severe furnace
problems in the underworld.
I'll let you all know what the SE says when I break it to him today, but in
the meantime....
Anyone had to do this?
-db
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