Saturday, September 20, 2008

Re: Outlook 2007 printing (was: Excel and Printing /Pagination)

> From: "Jordan Truesdell, PE" <seaint2@truesdellengineering.com>

> necessary. Par for the course with MS. "You can do anything you want to
> do with your computer, as long as it exactly matches what we thought you
> should do."

My latest on-going MS peeve: Try printing a single or range of pages from
Win/Outlook 2007.

Regards
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Re: Excel and Printing /Pagination

> From: Christopher Wright <chrisw@skypoint.com>

> On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:00 AM, Jordan Truesdell, PE wrote:
>
>> In other words, nobody really expected to ever have to print Excel
>> sheets in a orderly, repeatable manner. As a result, the

> I hate to beat this to death, but I've been using Excel since 1987
> when it was Mac-only, and never run into printing issues like these,
> including the times when I was dragooned into using Excel on Windows
> or when I ran a sheet from one platform with Excel on another. Cross
> platform work used to require a translation program on my Mac but not
> now. I ran different fonts and different printers (including
> Quickdraw and Postscript printers) but it didn't seem to matter--all
> the printing was orderly and repeatable. Even the pdfs made from
> spreadsheets look good.

That has been my cross-platform, multi-OS experience with Excel, as well:
Mac OS 7, 8, 9 and X
Windows 95, 2000 Pro and XP Pro
Excel 95, 2003, 2007
Dot-matrix, ink-jet and laser printers
Some of my Excel spreadsheets are (gulp) decades old and have been used on
dozens of machine/OS/printer configurations of desktops and laptops.

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Paul
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Re: Jeff Giger/DAN/Minerals/METSO is out of the office.

I like to know who's away, so I can break into their office and steal
all their strucural engineering secrets.
Snidely Whiplash

Garner, Robert wrote:
> Oh no, another one of these!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeff.giger@metso.com [mailto:jeff.giger@metso.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:19 AM
> To: seaint@seaint.org
> Subject: Jeff Giger/DAN/Minerals/METSO is out of the office.
>
>
> I will be out of the office starting 09/18/2008 and will not return
> until
> 09/29/2008.
>
> I will respond to your message when I return. For further needed
> assistance
> call Barry Trumbauer at 271-7691 or Dave Ernest at 271-7665.
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Friday, September 19, 2008

RE: moisture intrusion

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From: akester@cfl.rr.com
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: moisture intrusion
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:47:15 -0400


I am looking for an architect or engineer who does moisture intrusion evaluations of buildings. The potential project is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
 
I will have nothing to do with it other than send your information to my client. Please, only if you have experience in this specific area.
 
Email me directly so as to not bother the list...
 
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ADK Structural Engineering, PLLC
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RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination

The only time I have ever run into a problem printing from excel was due
to the printer driver and printer internal memory (not enough of it).
Sorry can't help more...good luck.

Doug Mayer, SE

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Wright [mailto:chrisw@skypoint.com]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:59 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Re: Excel and Printing /Pagination


On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:00 AM, Jordan Truesdell, PE wrote:

> In other words, nobody really expected to ever have to print Excel
> sheets in a orderly, repeatable manner. As a result, the
> programmers were lazy and decided that only a "relative" printing
> size was necessary. Par for the course with MS. "You can do
> anything you want to do with your computer, as long as it exactly
> matches what we thought you should do."
I hate to beat this to death, but I've been using Excel since 1987
when it was Mac-only, and never run into printing issues like these,
including the times when I was dragooned into using Excel on Windows
or when I ran a sheet from one platform with Excel on another. Cross
platform work used to require a translation program on my Mac but not
now. I ran different fonts and different printers (including
Quickdraw and Postscript printers) but it didn't seem to matter--all
the printing was orderly and repeatable. Even the pdfs made from
spreadsheets look good.

I'm sure no apologist for the Microsoft Way, but I do believe in
Excel (until some clot removed VBA from the Mac version). Sounds more
and more like a driver issue--I know Windows has such problems--and
they could certainly vary between machines and Windows versions and
printers.

Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at
chrisw@skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen.
.......................................| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania
1864)
http://www.skypoint.com/members/chrisw/

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Re: Excel and Printing /Pagination

On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:00 AM, Jordan Truesdell, PE wrote:

> In other words, nobody really expected to ever have to print Excel
> sheets in a orderly, repeatable manner. As a result, the
> programmers were lazy and decided that only a "relative" printing
> size was necessary. Par for the course with MS. "You can do
> anything you want to do with your computer, as long as it exactly
> matches what we thought you should do."
I hate to beat this to death, but I've been using Excel since 1987
when it was Mac-only, and never run into printing issues like these,
including the times when I was dragooned into using Excel on Windows
or when I ran a sheet from one platform with Excel on another. Cross
platform work used to require a translation program on my Mac but not
now. I ran different fonts and different printers (including
Quickdraw and Postscript printers) but it didn't seem to matter--all
the printing was orderly and repeatable. Even the pdfs made from
spreadsheets look good.

I'm sure no apologist for the Microsoft Way, but I do believe in
Excel (until some clot removed VBA from the Mac version). Sounds more
and more like a driver issue--I know Windows has such problems--and
they could certainly vary between machines and Windows versions and
printers.

Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at
chrisw@skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen.
.......................................| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania
1864)
http://www.skypoint.com/members/chrisw/

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moisture intrusion

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I am looking for an architect or engineer who does moisture intrusion evaluations of buildings. The potential project is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
 
I will have nothing to do with it other than send your information to my client. Please, only if you have experience in this specific area.
 
Email me directly so as to not bother the list...
 
Andrew Kester, P.E.
Principal/Project Manager
ADK Structural Engineering, PLLC
1510 E. Colonial Drive, Suite 301
Orlando, FL 32803

RE: Jeff Giger/DAN/Minerals/METSO is out of the office.

Oh no, another one of these!

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff.giger@metso.com [mailto:jeff.giger@metso.com]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:19 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Jeff Giger/DAN/Minerals/METSO is out of the office.


I will be out of the office starting 09/18/2008 and will not return
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09/29/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return. For further needed
assistance
call Barry Trumbauer at 271-7691 or Dave Ernest at 271-7665.


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Re: Excel and Printing /Pagination

In other words, nobody really expected to ever have to print Excel
sheets in a orderly, repeatable manner. As a result, the programmers
were lazy and decided that only a "relative" printing size was
necessary. Par for the course with MS. "You can do anything you want to
do with your computer, as long as it exactly matches what we thought you
should do."

Jordan

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Jeff Giger/DAN/Minerals/METSO is out of the office.

I will be out of the office starting 09/18/2008 and will not return until
09/29/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return. For further needed assistance
call Barry Trumbauer at 271-7691 or Dave Ernest at 271-7665.


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Thursday, September 18, 2008

RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination

Thanks to all for the assistance,

Using non-contiguous areas wouldn't work. The width of the pages was also
changing, not just the length. Originally I had the report on several
different tabbed worksheets, basically one page of calculations per
worksheet: but that was either getting printed on two pages, or scaled to
fit 1 page. I put everything onto a single worksheet, so that it is easier
to printout: at one stage I also had custom views defined, so that could
print all or part of the report.

Putting page breaks in also wouldn't work, since can still run over onto two
pages or still have the problem of variations in column width. Widths of
columns and row heights were changing from one machine to the next, and yet
normal style, and standard font are all the same, and the fonts have same
file size, file dates and version numbers.

I've checked the fonts, the printer drivers, and all options I can think off
in Windows and Excel that affect printing. But never really paid too much
attention to screen display settings before: it doesn't affect anything else
so why Excel?

But the DPI setting for the Display seems to be the cause. It doesn't seem
to affect Word but it makes a difference to Excel, one machine was set
DPI=80, and another DPI=120, my machine the default of DPI=96. It is only
supposed to be a screen display setting, but Excel appears to be using it to
calculate row height and column width and relating that to the paper size. I
expect items to appear larger or smaller on the screen, but not for it to
affect the underlying size of the items themselves.

What little I know about programming printing. In Delphi, both the screen
and printer have a canvas, and can draw/write directly to either canvas.
Alternatively can define a virtual canvas in memory, draw/write to that
canvas, then scale accordingly to either the screen or printer canvas,
noting the screen and paper seldom have the same proportions. These canvases
are a variation of a bitmap, and can have a higher resolution than either
the screen or printer.

What I said previously about a screen dump wasn't correct, it was a
simplistic way of distinguishing between defining an object and writing the
object directly to the printer using a vector graphics language like
postscript/HPGL, versus building a bitmap image of the complete page and
sending to the printer. My simplistic view was that Excel doesn't appear to
have an object definition of the printed page, instead it appears to use the
screen appearance of the worksheet to build the image of the printed page.
Appearances can be deceptive so it probably doesn't do that.

The VBA help says:

ColumnWidth Property:
One unit of column width is equal to the width of one character in the
Normal style. For proportional fonts, the width of the character 0 (zero) is
used.

RowHeight Property:
Returns the height of all the rows in the range specified, measured in
points.

As far as I know point size of fonts is related to the printed page, not the
screen: can zoom in and out on the screen. So calculations for height and
width should be based on the font definitions, not screen appearance. Expect
changes to the display to change width and height of worksheet cells in
pixels, but not to change dimensions in points and not in characters.

Given that the Display DPI settings are changing both the row height and
column width suggests the underlying definition is really in pixels, and the
pixels are translated to heights and widths in points and characters. Which
then results in the worksheet no longer fitting on the printed page. Hence
impression translating screen appearance to printed page.

If cell size truly defined in points/characters, then changing display DPI
wouldn't change the cell size, but would change the number of pixels used to
display on screen. Excel would then identify cell width and height to be the
same on all machines. It doesn't do this.

Better get back to being a structural forum.

Thanks again for the assistance.


Regards
Conrad Harrison
B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
Adelaide
South Australia

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RE: paper

Is the script part of the cell contents?  If so what does it do?

Thor A. Tandy P.Eng, C.Eng, Struct.Eng, MIStructE
Victoria, BC
Canada

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Subject: paper

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RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination

Conrad,

I still think you can sidestep all of the bugs etc. by setting the print area to several non-contiguous areas and restricting the out put to "1 high x 1 wide".

HTH
MJ

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Conrad Harrison <sch.tectonic@bigpond.com> wrote:
From: Conrad Harrison <sch.tectonic@bigpond.com>
Subject: RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination
To: seaint@seaint.org
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:24 PM

Chris,

Surprise! It appears to be true so far. We modified everything we could in
Excel. Checked all fonts, even checked the dates of fonts across three
machines. Did a print preview of a blank sheet on each machine, checked
columns and rows Excel selected, checked column width and row height: there
were differences.

The only thing which could identify as different between machines was screen
resolution. From earlier attempts at programming reports in windows using
Delphi I was aware in effect just writing to a window then printing the
bitmap, though with some refinement. It all seemed like a lot of hard work
for low quality output, so gave up, and moved to using Excel/VBA.

Further when we moved to Excel 97. It was because I was using Borland QPro
and my father Correl QPro. The Correl version was full of bugs, and also we
wanted to generate in cell functions. So we agreed to move over to Excel.
But we still had a problem sharing spreadsheets and printing out. But lived
with it. Then with new computers also had different versions of office, XP,
2003. So we recently upgraded the XP to 2003, hoping that would fix the
problem. (To go to 2007 would require 3 licenses)

For nearly 10 years, been arguing has to be the screen resolution, but
cannot see why it would, and when checked it hasn't made any difference.
Just accept there is too much difference between our hardware, and live with
the problem.

But yesterday checked the screen resolution across 3 computers. Made them
all the same resolution and didn't make any difference. Also to add to the
frustration, I created most of the workbooks on the computer my nephew was
using and now they don't print correctly there either. But then he mentions
he put a custom DPI setting in to get some software to display. Check my
fathers computer and likewise he also has a custom DPI setting.

Change all the machines to DPI setting: Normal size (96 DPI). Then repeat
the print preview on a blank sheet, all get same row heights and column
widths. Check print preview for the formatted spreadsheets and now paginated
the same on all computers. Then vary the screen resolutions and keep the DPI
setting the same, and still ok.

Makes no difference to my settings but everyone else, now has a problem
reading menus and icons.

I guess my solution to the pagination could turn out to just be a
coincidence. But it is the closest I have ever got to finding a solution.

Plus I like the solution because it proves I was right all along: it was my
dad fiddling with the settings on his computer, not my programming
inadvertently modifying settings on my computer.

Now why I never checked DPI settings before. I don't know.


Regards
Conrad Harrison
B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
Adelaide
South Australia




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Boehlert Report on ASCE post disaster Investigations

Dear Lisa:
Here is the just released Boehlert Report on the ASCE's post disaster
investigations:

http://content.asce.org/files/pdf/BoehlertReport.pdf

Best

Hassan

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Boehlert Report on ASCE post disaster Investigations

Dear SEAINT Friends:
Here is the just released Boehlert Report on the ASCE's post disaster
investigations:

http://content.asce.org/files/pdf/BoehlertReport.pdf

Best

A. Astaneh, Professor

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Re: Excel and Printing /Pagination

On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Erickson, Aaron A. wrote:

> Surprise! It appears to be true so far. We modified everything we
> could in Excel.
Sounds like there may also be some differences in the fonts you're
using. Same basic font, but differences between version. I've noted
some pagination differences in MS Word between machines (all Macs)
but nothing objectionable. And I've noted some differences in the
display between the machines as well. I never quite doped it out but
Mac printing takes all its formatting instructions from the screen
display in order to change it to Postscript (a vector graphics
language--it doesn't just print screen bitmaps) for printing.

Even though the display is different between my older laptop and my
tower the font size stays the same so long as the specified size in
points is the same. I've heard that graphic designers sometimes have
issues when they use TrueType fonts, although I don't know any
details except that it occurs with fancy page layouts. I don't use
job shop printing so it doesn't matter to me. One thing you might
consider is to go to a Postscript printer and use Postscript fonts if
you haven't already.

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RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination

I tend to refer to is as WYSINNWYG..."what you see is not necesarrily what
you get".

You might also check to make sure that you are all using the same version of
the printer driver from the same source (i.e. make sure some are not using a
Microsoft driver while others are using the printer manufacturer's
driver...Windoze does hae some "builtin" drivers), same version of Excel
(all patches the same), same version of Windoze (i.e. all current patches).
Different display adapters and monitors can also sometimes cause "issues".

Regards,

Scott
Adrian, MI

-----Original Message-----
From: Conrad Harrison [mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:12 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination


Lucas and others:

Seems Excel effectively just does a screen dump to the printer. Spreadsheets
will print differently on machines with different screen display DPI
settings. Guess that is what WYSIWYG means.

Check following:

Display Properties\Settings\Advanced\General\DPI Setting:


Regards
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B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
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Wednesday, September 17, 2008

RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination

Thanks Aaron,

Gnumeric sounds like it could be a viable future option, if it supports VBA.
I seem to spend as much if not more time in the VBA editor of Excel, than
working in the workbook. I use VBA to control other applications or at the
minimum generate data input files. Calculated formatted report in the
workbook, results used elsewhere.

Regards
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RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination

The Gnumeric folks are working on a spreadsheet, it is pretty good, free, and mostly compatible with MS Excel files (and seems to support many obscure other formats). I have been using the latest windows development release with good results, it may be worth a try at least. The gnumeric mailing list people will also assist with any issues you come across.

http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumeric/

AE

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:24 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination

Chris,

Surprise! It appears to be true so far. We modified everything we could in
Excel. Checked all fonts, even checked the dates of fonts across three
machines. Did a print preview of a blank sheet on each machine, checked
columns and rows Excel selected, checked column width and row height: there
were differences.

The only thing which could identify as different between machines was screen
resolution. From earlier attempts at programming reports in windows using
Delphi I was aware in effect just writing to a window then printing the
bitmap, though with some refinement. It all seemed like a lot of hard work
for low quality output, so gave up, and moved to using Excel/VBA.

Further when we moved to Excel 97. It was because I was using Borland QPro
and my father Correl QPro. The Correl version was full of bugs, and also we
wanted to generate in cell functions. So we agreed to move over to Excel.
But we still had a problem sharing spreadsheets and printing out. But lived
with it. Then with new computers also had different versions of office, XP,
2003. So we recently upgraded the XP to 2003, hoping that would fix the
problem. (To go to 2007 would require 3 licenses)

For nearly 10 years, been arguing has to be the screen resolution, but
cannot see why it would, and when checked it hasn't made any difference.
Just accept there is too much difference between our hardware, and live with
the problem.

But yesterday checked the screen resolution across 3 computers. Made them
all the same resolution and didn't make any difference. Also to add to the
frustration, I created most of the workbooks on the computer my nephew was
using and now they don't print correctly there either. But then he mentions
he put a custom DPI setting in to get some software to display. Check my
fathers computer and likewise he also has a custom DPI setting.

Change all the machines to DPI setting: Normal size (96 DPI). Then repeat
the print preview on a blank sheet, all get same row heights and column
widths. Check print preview for the formatted spreadsheets and now paginated
the same on all computers. Then vary the screen resolutions and keep the DPI
setting the same, and still ok.

Makes no difference to my settings but everyone else, now has a problem
reading menus and icons.

I guess my solution to the pagination could turn out to just be a
coincidence. But it is the closest I have ever got to finding a solution.

Plus I like the solution because it proves I was right all along: it was my
dad fiddling with the settings on his computer, not my programming
inadvertently modifying settings on my computer.

Now why I never checked DPI settings before. I don't know.


Regards
Conrad Harrison
B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
Adelaide
South Australia


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RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination

Chris,

Surprise! It appears to be true so far. We modified everything we could in
Excel. Checked all fonts, even checked the dates of fonts across three
machines. Did a print preview of a blank sheet on each machine, checked
columns and rows Excel selected, checked column width and row height: there
were differences.

The only thing which could identify as different between machines was screen
resolution. From earlier attempts at programming reports in windows using
Delphi I was aware in effect just writing to a window then printing the
bitmap, though with some refinement. It all seemed like a lot of hard work
for low quality output, so gave up, and moved to using Excel/VBA.

Further when we moved to Excel 97. It was because I was using Borland QPro
and my father Correl QPro. The Correl version was full of bugs, and also we
wanted to generate in cell functions. So we agreed to move over to Excel.
But we still had a problem sharing spreadsheets and printing out. But lived
with it. Then with new computers also had different versions of office, XP,
2003. So we recently upgraded the XP to 2003, hoping that would fix the
problem. (To go to 2007 would require 3 licenses)

For nearly 10 years, been arguing has to be the screen resolution, but
cannot see why it would, and when checked it hasn't made any difference.
Just accept there is too much difference between our hardware, and live with
the problem.

But yesterday checked the screen resolution across 3 computers. Made them
all the same resolution and didn't make any difference. Also to add to the
frustration, I created most of the workbooks on the computer my nephew was
using and now they don't print correctly there either. But then he mentions
he put a custom DPI setting in to get some software to display. Check my
fathers computer and likewise he also has a custom DPI setting.

Change all the machines to DPI setting: Normal size (96 DPI). Then repeat
the print preview on a blank sheet, all get same row heights and column
widths. Check print preview for the formatted spreadsheets and now paginated
the same on all computers. Then vary the screen resolutions and keep the DPI
setting the same, and still ok.

Makes no difference to my settings but everyone else, now has a problem
reading menus and icons.

I guess my solution to the pagination could turn out to just be a
coincidence. But it is the closest I have ever got to finding a solution.

Plus I like the solution because it proves I was right all along: it was my
dad fiddling with the settings on his computer, not my programming
inadvertently modifying settings on my computer.

Now why I never checked DPI settings before. I don't know.


Regards
Conrad Harrison
B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
Adelaide
South Australia


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re: PT wood

I agree with GM, we specify PT for all wood in contact with CMU or concrete for the same reason he said. Moisture has many ways into a building other than around the foundation, the roof being the biggest culprit I see doing forensics, but also poor flashing around ledgers in brick or stucco, cracks in stucco, poor stucco, poor flashing around siding, etc. Because in Florida moisture often migrates through CMU walls and then hits the cool side of the block (air conditioned space), which is the inside face of the wall, it is required to use PT 1x furring strips for attaching gyp board also…

 

Also, I just looked it up, and in Florida the FBC requires it. But this may be due to our climate. Once again, like Scott said a while back, codes are minimums, and we all should use our local knowledge and professional judgment and exceed Code when it is necessary in our judgment. Maybe out in CA and the SW it is so dry this is a non-issue.

 

2304.11.2.2 Framing.

Wood framing members, including wood sheathing, which rest on exterior foundation walls and are less than 8 inches (203 mm) from exposed earth shall be of naturally durable or preservative-treated wood. Wood framing members and furring strips attached directly to masonry or concrete walls shall be of approved naturally durable or preservative-treated wood.

 

 

Andrew Kester, PE

ADK Structural Engineering

Orlando, FL

 

Re: drop panel reinfocement

             I agree on Harold  Sprague  considerations .
 
             and biside that  drop panel reinforcement  risist to transfer the shear and moments
 
               to the column below .
 
 
                        Dr-hamida
                              Syria
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: drop panel reinfocement

There are 2 considerations:
1.  Alternate bay loading may put some reverse moment and tension in the bottom of the drop panel.
2.  Minimum crack control steel is a good idea for issues like thermal, creep & shrinkage, seismic, etc. 
 
If there is no steel to control the cracks, the cracks get big and ugly.  If you have some minimum steel, the cracks are still there, but they remain fairly tight and "controlled".


Regards,
Harold Sprague




From: marymskp@gmail.com
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: drop panel reinfocement
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:17:47 +0400


Dear all,
 
Is it necessary to provide bottom minmum  reinforcement  for a drop panel in flat slab with drop panels?  Since it is compression zone I think reinforcement is not required.please tell yours opinion.
 
thanks,
 
Mariyamma suresh
 
Structural Engineer
 
Dubai


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Re: Excel and Printing /Pagination

On Sep 17, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Conrad Harrison wrote:

> Seems Excel effectively just does a screen dump to the printer.
> Spreadsheets
> will print differently on machines with different screen display DPI
> settings. Guess that is what WYSIWYG means.
I'd be very surprised if this were true for the Windows version,
since it isn't true for the Mac version. I know it doesn't do a
simple screen dump--you can tell that by the absence of jaggies in
the printed output. The Mac version (and surely the version for that
other platform) has a fairly elegant formatting capability accessible
from the Print Preview command. You can also set just the area you
want to print with the 'Print Area' command.

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RE: "And The Walls Come Tumbin' Down..."

And when that fails we still have Charles Bronson.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:13 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Re: "And The Walls Come Tumbin' Down..."

Andrew-
Don't you know that we all are subject to the Golden Rule????

RE: drop panel reinfocement

There are 2 considerations:
1.  Alternate bay loading may put some reverse moment and tension in the bottom of the drop panel.
2.  Minimum crack control steel is a good idea for issues like thermal, creep & shrinkage, seismic, etc. 
 
If there is no steel to control the cracks, the cracks get big and ugly.  If you have some minimum steel, the cracks are still there, but they remain fairly tight and "controlled".


Regards,
Harold Sprague




From: marymskp@gmail.com
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: drop panel reinfocement
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:17:47 +0400


Dear all,
 
Is it necessary to provide bottom minmum  reinforcement  for a drop panel in flat slab with drop panels?  Since it is compression zone I think reinforcement is not required.please tell yours opinion.
 
thanks,
 
Mariyamma suresh
 
Structural Engineer
 
Dubai


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Re: "And The Walls Come Tumbin' Down..."

Bill,

The fact that you're O.K. is the best news I've heard today, Bill.

Best regards,

H. Daryl Richardson

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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: "And The Walls Come Tumbin' Down..."


> David Fisher wrote:
>> Is your house OK?
>>
>> If I remember, you live in that area.
>>
> We sustained very minor damage, about twelve or fourteen hours power
> outage, and a bit of inconvenience, no more.
>
> But we have folks in this city, especially to the South and East of
> downtown, who're in a WORLD of hurt.
>
> Keep your prayers up for them.
>
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Re: "And The Walls Come Tumbin' Down..."

Andrew-
Don't you know that we all are subject to the Golden Rule????

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Andrew Kester, P.E. <akester@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

Well Bill, at least nobody can blame the destruction from Ike on a government conspiracy. Last I checked there is no alternative to forming a hurricane other than hot dry air coming off the Sahara and moving out over open and warm water in the Atlantic….

 

The other thing that bothers me about storm and earthquake coverage (and my list is long), and I don't mean using the term cement instead of concrete, is they act like these things are just acts of God and we can do nothing about it. This is a pre-enlightenment view of the world around us that is ridiculous. How about we can build homes and buildings to withstand ANY hurricane, it comes down to MONEY. We have built facilities that can withstand a nuclear strike, pretty sure we can do something about 110mph winds… And it seems for a long time codes and enforcement of codes were limited by money, until insurance companies started trying to minimize their risk (money), and fought against builders who would prefer the old way (money).

 

I have seen our insurance industry in Florida change to minimize their risk, they now offer discounts if your home is newer (conforming to newer codes);  and you can have an engineer/architect/GC fill out a survey form of your house and get discounts for your roof type, connections, lack of gable or proper gable bracing, storm shudders, etc.

 

They can design and build oil rigs to sit in the middle of the ocean. The big high rise hotels, commercial buildings, bridges, etc. probably came through with little structural damage unless they were right on the beach (my experience from Katrina and hurricanes in FL also). But stick frame houses on the beach, who would have guessed they would not survive? It is too bad the average person assumes if something was built with plans and a permit, it must be built properly.

 

Andrew Kester, PE

 

 

 




--
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Re: "And The Walls Come Tumbin' Down..."

Bill:

I saw video of the devastation in Galveston and the rest of the south coast.

Its terrible.

I hope those people can somehow pull their lives back together.

dlf

> David Fisher wrote:
>> Is your house OK?
>>
>> If I remember, you live in that area.
>>
> We sustained very minor damage, about twelve or fourteen hours power
> outage, and a bit of inconvenience, no more.
>
> But we have folks in this city, especially to the South and East of
> downtown, who're in a WORLD of hurt.
>
> Keep your prayers up for them.
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Re: PT ledger

I couldn't agree strongly enough.  But he asked "required" not "advisable". 

>>> "Gerard Madden, SE" <gmse4603@gmail.com> 9/16/2008 3:51 PM >>>
Having seen plenty of rotted ledgers in my day on tilt-up buildings (be it from roof leaks or water migration out of concrete), I would discourage anyone from using this exception in the code. Looked at one not two months ago...

-gm

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Jerry Coombs <JCoombs@carollo.com> wrote:
Depends on type of construction.
 
Per IBC 2304.11.2.3, yes.  But technically speaking, only if the ledger itself is below grade.  Depending on how you interpret it.
 
Per IRC, I think it is no longer req'd, but I'd have to check.


>>> Tarek Mokhtar <Tarekmokhtar@earthlink.net> 9/16/2008 2:00 PM >>>

Is a ledger supporting a wood floor against a waterproofed basement
retaining wall required to
be pressure treated?
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RE: drop panel reinfocement

Hello Suresh,
 
No even it is a compression zone there we have to design for shear also which reduces the Negetive moment r/f, the action is same like footing design on footing slab, just check for one way shear and punching (two way ) shear and extend the boottom r/f fraction till colum and curtail it...!!!
Regards,
Phani Krishna,
Sr.Design Engineer,     
Larsen&Toubro(L&T),
GES.


From: maryamma suresh(biji) [marymskp@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:47 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: drop panel reinfocement

Dear all,
 
Is it necessary to provide bottom minmum  reinforcement  for a drop panel in flat slab with drop panels?  Since it is compression zone I think reinforcement is not required.please tell yours opinion.
 
thanks,
 
Mariyamma suresh
 
Structural Engineer
 
Dubai


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Re: Live Load Reduction

Yes you can  reduced LL2= 50psf  according to IBC2006
and take no  reduction  for LL1= 150PSF
 
                               Dr-hamida
 
                                Syria- Aleppo
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Wontae Kim
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Live Load Reduction

For beam design, I have LL1=150psf (storage) and LL2=50psf (MEP).
Can I use LL reduction according to IBC2006?
 
Combined LL is 200psf, which is greater than 100psf.
So, I can not use LL reduction.
But, can I apply LL reduction only to LL2=50psf?
And then, reduced LL2+150psf can be used for LL.
 
I am looking forward to your response.
 
Thanks!
 
wontae

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drop panel reinfocement

Dear all,
 
Is it necessary to provide bottom minmum  reinforcement  for a drop panel in flat slab with drop panels?  Since it is compression zone I think reinforcement is not required.please tell yours opinion.
 
thanks,
 
Mariyamma suresh
 
Structural Engineer
 
Dubai

RE: Excel and Printing /Pagination

Lucas and others:

Seems Excel effectively just does a screen dump to the printer. Spreadsheets
will print differently on machines with different screen display DPI
settings. Guess that is what WYSIWYG means.

Check following:

Display Properties\Settings\Advanced\General\DPI Setting:


Regards
Conrad Harrison
B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
Adelaide
South Australia


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Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Re: Brick Parapet Support

Hi ,
 
1- install temporary  two channels 8" one on each side of the wall connect them by 3/4" bolt @ 16"on center
 
  
2- Support the channels to the next  beside wall if there any wall or keep the channels extend about 2' from 
each end of the window.
 
3- Cut and remove the brick with the area you want .
 
4- put the lintel  (Angle or channel) with post at the end or not just extend the lintel 8" from the window.
 
5- Remove the  temporary channels and the bolts.
6 - now you have historic window.
 
                                Dr- hamida
 
                                 Syria-Aleppo
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: Brick Parapet Support

Hi - I have a 12" wide brick parapet, 9' above a supporting beam in a historic building. The architect wants to remove 3' of the parapet, just above the beam in order to install windows. This will make the brick portion of the parapet wall 6' high above the windows and beam.  I will place a steel post at 3' on center to support some type of lintel, which will support the brick.  Any ideas on what I should do?  Should I use a steel angle, or try to reinforce the brick, etc?  How is the lintel installed before the brick is removed?

Regards,
Andy Richardson
Bluffton, SC 

Re: "And The Walls Come Tumbin' Down..."

David Fisher wrote:
> Is your house OK?
>
> If I remember, you live in that area.
>
We sustained very minor damage, about twelve or fourteen hours power
outage, and a bit of inconvenience, no more.

But we have folks in this city, especially to the South and East of
downtown, who're in a WORLD of hurt.

Keep your prayers up for them.

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RE: PT ledger

Thanx for all the replies, the problem here is that the contractor used uncoated bolts for the
ledger attachment, and he can only find ACQ treated lumber which is corrosive, so how would
you solve this problem? coating the bolts, wrapping them....


Tarek Mokhtar, SE





This is one the myths about PT and it is actually not correct. Pressure treated wood is only required due to proximately to earth or water per section 2304.11 of the IBC. In the case of Tarek's question it seems it is required according to section 2304.11.2.3. But a classic case when it is not required is for ledgers attached to a tilt-up or masonry walls supporting floor or roof framing.
 
Ben Yousefi, SE, CBO
Chief Building Official
City of Mountain View, CA
(650) 526-7007
ben.yousefi@mountainview.gov

From: Gerard Madden, SE [mailto:gmse4603@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:12 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Re: PT ledger
 
All structural wood in contact with concrete or CMU should be pressure treated or naturally resistant to decay.

-gm
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Tarek Mokhtar <Tarekmokhtar@earthlink.net> wrote:
Is a ledger supporting a wood floor against a waterproofed basement retaining wall required to
be pressure treated?
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Re: PT ledger

Having seen plenty of rotted ledgers in my day on tilt-up buildings (be it from roof leaks or water migration out of concrete), I would discourage anyone from using this exception in the code. Looked at one not two months ago...

-gm

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Jerry Coombs <JCoombs@carollo.com> wrote:
Depends on type of construction.
 
Per IBC 2304.11.2.3, yes.  But technically speaking, only if the ledger itself is below grade.  Depending on how you interpret it.
 
Per IRC, I think it is no longer req'd, but I'd have to check.


>>> Tarek Mokhtar <Tarekmokhtar@earthlink.net> 9/16/2008 2:00 PM >>>

Is a ledger supporting a wood floor against a waterproofed basement
retaining wall required to
be pressure treated?
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Tarek Mokhtar, SE








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Masonry Wall Anchorage

When I have a situation where I need to tie concrete masonry walls to flexible wood diaphragms it seems like I run into the problem of high anchorage forces and low anchor capacities.  Before the change to the 2007 California Code and the latest changes to the ICC Evaluation Reports for adhesive anchors, I could get a reasonable wall tie assembly @ 48 inches to calc out.  Recently I’ve had to use 24 inch spacing for wall ties.  I’ve also used concrete bond beams at the top of the wall, to increase allowable anchor capacity.  Has anyone else run into similar situations?

 

 

Re: PT ledger

Depends on type of construction.
 
Per IBC 2304.11.2.3, yes.  But technically speaking, only if the ledger itself is below grade.  Depending on how you interpret it.
 
Per IRC, I think it is no longer req'd, but I'd have to check.


>>> Tarek Mokhtar <Tarekmokhtar@earthlink.net> 9/16/2008 2:00 PM >>>
Is a ledger supporting a wood floor against a waterproofed basement
retaining wall required to
be pressure treated?
--
Tarek Mokhtar, SE








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RE: PT ledger

I would replace "All" with "Some" in accordance with CBC 2304.11.2.3. But what you said is commonly followed around here.
 
Suresh Acharya, S.E.


From: Gerard Madden, SE [mailto:gmse4603@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:12 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Re: PT ledger

All structural wood in contact with concrete or CMU should be pressure treated or naturally resistant to decay.

-gm

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Tarek Mokhtar <Tarekmokhtar@earthlink.net> wrote:
Is a ledger supporting a wood floor against a waterproofed basement retaining wall required to
be pressure treated?
--
Tarek Mokhtar, SE








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RE: PT ledger

This is one the myths about PT and it is actually not correct. Pressure treated wood is only required due to proximately to earth or water per section 2304.11 of the IBC. In the case of Tarek’s question it seems it is required according to section 2304.11.2.3. But a classic case when it is not required is for ledgers attached to a tilt-up or masonry walls supporting floor or roof framing.

 

Ben Yousefi, SE, CBO
Chief Building Official
City of Mountain View, CA
(650) 526-7007
ben.yousefi@mountainview.gov


From: Gerard Madden, SE [mailto:gmse4603@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:12 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Re: PT ledger

 

All structural wood in contact with concrete or CMU should be pressure treated or naturally resistant to decay.

-gm

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Tarek Mokhtar <Tarekmokhtar@earthlink.net> wrote:

Is a ledger supporting a wood floor against a waterproofed basement retaining wall required to
be pressure treated?
--
Tarek Mokhtar, SE








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