Saturday, August 1, 2009

Re: On the lighter side

Most likely the latter since some version of this list has been circulating around the internet since 1998.  Might actually be funny if the nameless version was selected instead of the obviously partisan version. 

-Doug Mayer

On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:36 PM, "erik_g@cox.net" <erik_g@cox.net> wrote:

OK here we go again. So did you write all this up your little lonesome self, or did you just cut and paste this from some right wing web site?
 
Everyone of those politicians were democrats, coincidence.....I think not. Come on guys haven't you learned anything yet? Do you actually think that just democrats do stupid stuff like this?  Have you forgotten that most natural occurrences including human activity will typically fall into a normal distribution? Everything equals out one way or another.
 
So I can guarantee that if you search, there is a similar list of stupid stuff that has been said by republicans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jnapd@aol.com [mailto:Jnapd@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:26 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: On the lighter side

Why our country is in trouble 
  
A DC airport ticket agent offers some examples of 'why' our country is in trouble! 
  
1.I had a New Hampshire Congresswoman (Carol Shea-Porter) ask for an aisle seat so that her hair wouldn't get messed up by being near the window. (On an airplane!) 
  
2.I got a call from a Kansas Congressman's (Moore) staffer (Howard Bauleke), who wanted to go to Capetown. I started to explain the length of the flight and the passport information, and then he interrupted me with, ''I'm not trying to make you look stupid, but Capetown is in Massachusetts .'' 

Without trying to make him look stupid, I calmly explained, ''Cape Cod is in Massachusetts , Capetown is in Africa''

his response -- click. 
  
3. A senior Vermont Congressman (Bernie Sanders) called, furious about a Florida package we did. I asked what was wrong with the vacation in Orlando . He said he was expecting an ocean-view room. I tried to explain that's not possible, since Orlando is in the middle of the state.

He replied, 'don't lie to me, I looked on the map and Florida is a very thin state!'' (OMG) 
  
4. I got a call from a lawmaker's wife (Landra Reid) who asked, ''Is it possible to see England from Canada ?''

I said, ''No.''

She said, ''But they look so close on the map.'' (OMG, again!) 
  
5.An aide for a cabinet member (Janet Napolitano) once called and asked if he could rent a car in Dallas. I pulled up the reservation and noticed he had only a 1-hour layover in Dallas . When I asked him why he wanted to rent a car, he said, ''I heard Dallas was a big airport, and we will need a car to drive between gates to save time.'' (Aghhhh) 
  
6.An Illinois Congresswoman (Jan Schakowsky)  called last week. She needed to know how it was possible that her flight from Detroit left at 8:30 a.m., and got to Chicago at 8:33 a.m.

I explained that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois , but she couldn't understand the concept of time zones. Finally, I told her the plane went fast, and she bought that. 
  
7. A New York lawmaker, (Jerrold Nadler) called and asked, ''Do airlines put your physical description on your bag so they know whose luggage belongs to whom?'' I said, 'No, why do you ask?'

he replied, ''Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag on my luggage that said (FAT), and I'm overweight. I think that's very rude!''

After putting him on hold for a minute, while I looked into it. (I was dying laughing). I came back and explained the city code for Fresno , Ca. is (FAT - Fresno Air Terminal), and the airline was just putting a destination tag on his luggage.. 
  
8. A Senator John Kerry aide (Lindsay Ross) called to inquire about a trip package to Hawaii . After going over all the cost info, she asked, ''Would it be cheaper to fly to California and then take the train to Hawaii ?'' 
  
9. I just got off the phone with a freshman Congressman, Bobby Bright (D) from Ala who asked, ''How do I know which plane to get on?''

I asked him what exactly he meant, to which he replied, ''I was told my flight number is 823, but none of these planes have numbers on them.'' 
  
10. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D)
called and said, ''I need to fly to Pepsi-Cola , Florida . Do I have to get on one of those little computer planes?''

I asked if she meant fly to Pensacola , FL on a commuter plane.

She said, ''Yeah, whatever, smarty!'' 
  
11. Mary Landrieu (D) La. Senator called and had a question about the documents she needed in order to fly toChina . After a lengthy discussion about passports, I reminded her that she needed a visa. 'Oh, no I don't. I've been to China many times and never had to have one of those.'' 

I double checked and sure enough, her stay required a visa. When I told her this she said, ''Look, I've been toChina four times and every time they have accepted my American Express!'' 
  
12. A New Jersey Congressman (John Adler) called to make reservations, ''I want to go from Chicago to Rhino,New York .''

I was at a loss for words. Finally, I said, ''Are you sure that's the name of the town?''

'Yes, what flights do you have?'' replied the man.

After some searching, I came back with, ''I'm sorry, sir, I've looked up every airport code in the country and can't find a rhino anywhere."

''The man retorted, ''Oh, don't be silly! Everyone knows where it is. Check your map!''

So I scoured a map of the state of New York and finally offered, ''You don't mean Buffalo , do you?''

The reply? ''Whatever! I knew it was a big animal.''

Now you know why the Government is in the shape that it's in! 
  
Could anyone be this DUMB? 
  
YES, THEY WALK AMONG US, ARE IN POLITICS, AND THEY CONTINUE TO BREED. 
  
I don't write it, I just offer it for your consideration. Like manure, you just gotta spread it around.

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joe Venuti
Johnson & Nielsen Associates
Palm Springs, CA
at

RE: On the lighter side

OK here we go again. So did you write all this up your little lonesome self, or did you just cut and paste this from some right wing web site?
 
Everyone of those politicians were democrats, coincidence.....I think not. Come on guys haven't you learned anything yet? Do you actually think that just democrats do stupid stuff like this?  Have you forgotten that most natural occurrences including human activity will typically fall into a normal distribution? Everything equals out one way or another.
 
So I can guarantee that if you search, there is a similar list of stupid stuff that has been said by republicans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jnapd@aol.com [mailto:Jnapd@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:26 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: On the lighter side

Why our country is in trouble 
  
A DC airport ticket agent offers some examples of 'why' our country is in trouble! 
  
1.I had a New Hampshire Congresswoman (Carol Shea-Porter) ask for an aisle seat so that her hair wouldn't get messed up by being near the window. (On an airplane!) 
  
2.I got a call from a Kansas Congressman's (Moore) staffer (Howard Bauleke), who wanted to go to Capetown. I started to explain the length of the flight and the passport information, and then he interrupted me with, ''I'm not trying to make you look stupid, but Capetown is in Massachusetts .'' 

Without trying to make him look stupid, I calmly explained, ''Cape Cod is in Massachusetts , Capetown is in Africa''

his response -- click. 
  
3. A senior Vermont Congressman (Bernie Sanders) called, furious about a Florida package we did. I asked what was wrong with the vacation in Orlando . He said he was expecting an ocean-view room. I tried to explain that's not possible, since Orlando is in the middle of the state.

He replied, 'don't lie to me, I looked on the map and Florida is a very thin state!'' (OMG) 
  
4. I got a call from a lawmaker's wife (Landra Reid) who asked, ''Is it possible to see England from Canada ?''

I said, ''No.''

She said, ''But they look so close on the map.'' (OMG, again!) 
  
5.An aide for a cabinet member (Janet Napolitano) once called and asked if he could rent a car in Dallas. I pulled up the reservation and noticed he had only a 1-hour layover in Dallas . When I asked him why he wanted to rent a car, he said, ''I heard Dallas was a big airport, and we will need a car to drive between gates to save time.'' (Aghhhh) 
  
6.An Illinois Congresswoman (Jan Schakowsky)  called last week. She needed to know how it was possible that her flight from Detroit left at 8:30 a.m., and got to Chicago at 8:33 a.m.

I explained that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois , but she couldn't understand the concept of time zones. Finally, I told her the plane went fast, and she bought that. 
  
7. A New York lawmaker, (Jerrold Nadler) called and asked, ''Do airlines put your physical description on your bag so they know whose luggage belongs to whom?'' I said, 'No, why do you ask?'

he replied, ''Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag on my luggage that said (FAT), and I'm overweight. I think that's very rude!''

After putting him on hold for a minute, while I looked into it. (I was dying laughing). I came back and explained the city code for Fresno , Ca. is (FAT - Fresno Air Terminal), and the airline was just putting a destination tag on his luggage.. 
  
8. A Senator John Kerry aide (Lindsay Ross) called to inquire about a trip package to Hawaii . After going over all the cost info, she asked, ''Would it be cheaper to fly to California and then take the train to Hawaii ?'' 
  
9. I just got off the phone with a freshman Congressman, Bobby Bright (D) from Ala who asked, ''How do I know which plane to get on?''

I asked him what exactly he meant, to which he replied, ''I was told my flight number is 823, but none of these planes have numbers on them.'' 
  
10. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D)
called and said, ''I need to fly to Pepsi-Cola , Florida . Do I have to get on one of those little computer planes?''

I asked if she meant fly to Pensacola , FL on a commuter plane.

She said, ''Yeah, whatever, smarty!'' 
  
11. Mary Landrieu (D) La. Senator called and had a question about the documents she needed in order to fly toChina . After a lengthy discussion about passports, I reminded her that she needed a visa. 'Oh, no I don't. I've been to China many times and never had to have one of those.'' 

I double checked and sure enough, her stay required a visa. When I told her this she said, ''Look, I've been toChina four times and every time they have accepted my American Express!'' 
  
12. A New Jersey Congressman (John Adler) called to make reservations, ''I want to go from Chicago to Rhino,New York .''

I was at a loss for words. Finally, I said, ''Are you sure that's the name of the town?''

'Yes, what flights do you have?'' replied the man.

After some searching, I came back with, ''I'm sorry, sir, I've looked up every airport code in the country and can't find a rhino anywhere."

''The man retorted, ''Oh, don't be silly! Everyone knows where it is. Check your map!''

So I scoured a map of the state of New York and finally offered, ''You don't mean Buffalo , do you?''

The reply? ''Whatever! I knew it was a big animal.''

Now you know why the Government is in the shape that it's in! 
  
Could anyone be this DUMB? 
  
YES, THEY WALK AMONG US, ARE IN POLITICS, AND THEY CONTINUE TO BREED. 
  
I don't write it, I just offer it for your consideration. Like manure, you just gotta spread it around.

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joe Venuti
Johnson & Nielsen Associates
Palm Springs, CA
at

On the lighter side

Why our country is in trouble 
  
A DC airport ticket agent offers some examples of 'why' our country is in trouble! 
  
1.I had a New Hampshire Congresswoman (Carol Shea-Porter) ask for an aisle seat so that her hair wouldn't get messed up by being near the window. (On an airplane!) 
  
2.I got a call from a Kansas Congressman's (Moore) staffer (Howard Bauleke), who wanted to go to Capetown. I started to explain the length of the flight and the passport information, and then he interrupted me with, ''I'm not trying to make you look stupid, but Capetown is in Massachusetts .'' 

Without trying to make him look stupid, I calmly explained, ''Cape Cod is in Massachusetts , Capetown is in Africa''

his response -- click. 
  
3. A senior Vermont Congressman (Bernie Sanders) called, furious about a Florida package we did. I asked what was wrong with the vacation in Orlando . He said he was expecting an ocean-view room. I tried to explain that's not possible, since Orlando is in the middle of the state.

He replied, 'don't lie to me, I looked on the map and Florida is a very thin state!'' (OMG) 
  
4. I got a call from a lawmaker's wife (Landra Reid) who asked, ''Is it possible to see England from Canada ?''

I said, ''No.''

She said, ''But they look so close on the map.'' (OMG, again!) 
  
5.An aide for a cabinet member (Janet Napolitano) once called and asked if he could rent a car in Dallas. I pulled up the reservation and noticed he had only a 1-hour layover in Dallas . When I asked him why he wanted to rent a car, he said, ''I heard Dallas was a big airport, and we will need a car to drive between gates to save time.'' (Aghhhh) 
  
6.An Illinois Congresswoman (Jan Schakowsky)  called last week. She needed to know how it was possible that her flight from Detroit left at 8:30 a.m., and got to Chicago at 8:33 a.m.

I explained that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois , but she couldn't understand the concept of time zones. Finally, I told her the plane went fast, and she bought that. 
  
7. A New York lawmaker, (Jerrold Nadler) called and asked, ''Do airlines put your physical description on your bag so they know whose luggage belongs to whom?'' I said, 'No, why do you ask?'

he replied, ''Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag on my luggage that said (FAT), and I'm overweight. I think that's very rude!''

After putting him on hold for a minute, while I looked into it. (I was dying laughing). I came back and explained the city code for Fresno , Ca. is (FAT - Fresno Air Terminal), and the airline was just putting a destination tag on his luggage.. 
  
8. A Senator John Kerry aide (Lindsay Ross) called to inquire about a trip package to Hawaii . After going over all the cost info, she asked, ''Would it be cheaper to fly to California and then take the train to Hawaii ?'' 
  
9. I just got off the phone with a freshman Congressman, Bobby Bright (D) from Ala who asked, ''How do I know which plane to get on?''

I asked him what exactly he meant, to which he replied, ''I was told my flight number is 823, but none of these planes have numbers on them.'' 
  
10. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D)
called and said, ''I need to fly to Pepsi-Cola , Florida . Do I have to get on one of those little computer planes?''

I asked if she meant fly to Pensacola , FL on a commuter plane.

She said, ''Yeah, whatever, smarty!'' 
  
11. Mary Landrieu (D) La. Senator called and had a question about the documents she needed in order to fly toChina . After a lengthy discussion about passports, I reminded her that she needed a visa. 'Oh, no I don't. I've been to China many times and never had to have one of those.'' 

I double checked and sure enough, her stay required a visa. When I told her this she said, ''Look, I've been toChina four times and every time they have accepted my American Express!'' 
  
12. A New Jersey Congressman (John Adler) called to make reservations, ''I want to go from Chicago to Rhino,New York .''

I was at a loss for words. Finally, I said, ''Are you sure that's the name of the town?''

'Yes, what flights do you have?'' replied the man.

After some searching, I came back with, ''I'm sorry, sir, I've looked up every airport code in the country and can't find a rhino anywhere."

''The man retorted, ''Oh, don't be silly! Everyone knows where it is. Check your map!''

So I scoured a map of the state of New York and finally offered, ''You don't mean Buffalo , do you?''

The reply? ''Whatever! I knew it was a big animal.''

Now you know why the Government is in the shape that it's in! 
  
Could anyone be this DUMB? 
  
YES, THEY WALK AMONG US, ARE IN POLITICS, AND THEY CONTINUE TO BREED. 
  
I don't write it, I just offer it for your consideration. Like manure, you just gotta spread it around.

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Joe Venuti
Johnson & Nielsen Associates
Palm Springs, CA
at

Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

This list is getting out of hand! Enough, already!
Thor
Victoria
BC
Canada

Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

From: Peter Maregan
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:50:35 -0700 (PDT)
To: <seaint@seaint.org>
Subject: Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

Oh Bill,
How could you let that happen. I thought you guys were too smart.
I know why. Because you, Limbahhhahahah, Lou Dobs, Hannity and the rest of you dumbs are Idiots.
So wacha gonna do 'bout it Hilly Billy Bob?
Yeah, suck on it. You have an illigal laborer at the White House, oh , and he's black. HE HA!
Yeah, suck on it, hummus.

From: Bill Polhemus <bill@polhemus.cc>
To: "<seaint@seaint.org>" <seaint@seaint.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 11:37:03 AM
Subject: Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

We've got a foreign laborer in the white House - and he doesn't even have an H1 Visa.

Why is that not a problem but LEGAL immigrant hiring is?

William L. Polhemus, Jr. P.E.
Via iPhone 3G

On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Rbengrguy@aol.com wrote:

 
 
Attention  SEAINT 
 
re:   SE  Compensation
 
 
Shifting the  subject slightly  
 
Why not  see if your firm  is  using cheap  foreign labor   ???
 
Many  firms  pay their  foreign employees  ( H-1B's)   competitive  salaries     but  but but
 
then are these  salaries for   the best/brightest/brilliant   ( high-skilled )   engineers that  corporate America  claims we need so  bad?

at

Re: Spreadsheets for Cold-Formed Sections?

You have better chance of winning the lottery. <grin>

Regards,

Scott
Adrian, MI


On 8/1/09 9:21 AM, "Gary L. Hodgson and Assoc." <design@hodgsoneng.ca>
wrote:

> Another
> day-dream is that the USA will go metric, and I will also win the
> lottery to-night.
> Gary
>
>

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at

Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

Oh Bill,
How could you let that happen. I thought you guys were too smart.
I know why. Because you, Limbahhhahahah, Lou Dobs, Hannity and the rest of you dumbs are Idiots.
So wacha gonna do 'bout it Hilly Billy Bob?
Yeah, suck on it. You have an illigal laborer at the White House, oh , and he's black. HE HA!
Yeah, suck on it, hummus.

From: Bill Polhemus <bill@polhemus.cc>
To: "<seaint@seaint.org>" <seaint@seaint.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 11:37:03 AM
Subject: Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

We've got a foreign laborer in the white House - and he doesn't even have an H1 Visa.

Why is that not a problem but LEGAL immigrant hiring is?

William L. Polhemus, Jr. P.E.
Via iPhone 3G

On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Rbengrguy@aol.com wrote:

 
 
Attention  SEAINT 
 
re:   SE  Compensation
 
 
Shifting the  subject slightly  
 
Why not  see if your firm  is  using cheap  foreign labor   ???
 
Many  firms  pay their  foreign employees  ( H-1B's)   competitive  salaries     but  but but
 
then are these  salaries for   the best/brightest/brilliant   ( high-skilled )   engineers that  corporate America  claims we need so  bad?

at

RE: Old Codes

I really don’t think you would want my golf clubs.  I play about once a year but if you saw the clubs I use you would probably wonder why I even do that.

 

Jim

 

JEP Consulting Structural Engineers

P. 541.923.8224  C. 425.269.3343

 

From: Glenn Otto [mailto:ggator1256@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:23 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: RE: Old Codes

 

Can I have your golf clubs?  J

 

A Structural Engineer, P.C.

Glenn C. Otto, P.E.

Virginia Beach, VA

Website:  www.astructuralengineeronline.com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Persing [mailto:jim.jep@bendbroadband.com]
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:17 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Old Codes

 

It has been awhile since I have been on this list so let me know if I am out of order here.  I am in the process of retiring and getting rid of my book library.  I have a number of old codes – Uniform Building Codes from the 70’s and City of LA codes from the mid 60’s through the 70’s.  I also have some specialty books such as Distribution of Lateral Forces by Briggs.  If anybody is interested let me know and I will email you individually with the list.  I am NOT selling any of these.  I only would like to get them to someone who can either use them or add them to their own collection.

 

Jim Persing

Jim.jep@bendbroadband.com

at

Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

He drinks the right wing Kool-aid without question. I think the flavor is called Red Nector

-gm

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:09 PM, <erik_g@cox.net> wrote:
No, Bill is actually brainwashed into thinking that our current president is probably the anti-christ.
 
Ohhh Bill save us from those evil leftist tree huggers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Melnick, Scott [mailto:melnick@aisc.org]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:59 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

Please, please tell that was a weak attempt at humor.

Scott Melnick

Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.

From: Bill Polhemus
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:37:03 -0500
To: <seaint@seaint.org><seaint@seaint.org>
Subject: Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

We've got a foreign laborer in the white House - and he doesn't even have an H1 Visa.

Why is that not a problem but LEGAL immigrant hiring is?

William L. Polhemus, Jr. P.E.
Via iPhone 3G

On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Rbengrguy@aol.com wrote:

 
 
Attention  SEAINT 
 
re:   SE  Compensation
 
 
Shifting the  subject slightly  
 
Why not  see if your firm  is  using cheap  foreign labor   ???
 
Many  firms  pay their  foreign employees  ( H-1B's)   competitive  salaries     but  but but
 
then are these  salaries for   the best/brightest/brilliant   ( high-skilled )   engineers that  corporate America  claims we need so  bad?

at

RE: re Structural Engineer compensation

No, Bill is actually brainwashed into thinking that our current president is probably the anti-christ.
 
Ohhh Bill save us from those evil leftist tree huggers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Melnick, Scott [mailto:melnick@aisc.org]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:59 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

Please, please tell that was a weak attempt at humor.

Scott Melnick

Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.

From: Bill Polhemus
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:37:03 -0500
To: <seaint@seaint.org><seaint@seaint.org>
Subject: Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

We've got a foreign laborer in the white House - and he doesn't even have an H1 Visa.

Why is that not a problem but LEGAL immigrant hiring is?

William L. Polhemus, Jr. P.E.
Via iPhone 3G

On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Rbengrguy@aol.com wrote:

 
 
Attention  SEAINT 
 
re:   SE  Compensation
 
 
Shifting the  subject slightly  
 
Why not  see if your firm  is  using cheap  foreign labor   ???
 
Many  firms  pay their  foreign employees  ( H-1B's)   competitive  salaries     but  but but
 
then are these  salaries for   the best/brightest/brilliant   ( high-skilled )   engineers that  corporate America  claims we need so  bad?
at

Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

Please, please tell that was a weak attempt at humor.

Scott Melnick

Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.

From: Bill Polhemus
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:37:03 -0500
To: <seaint@seaint.org><seaint@seaint.org>
Subject: Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

We've got a foreign laborer in the white House - and he doesn't even have an H1 Visa.

Why is that not a problem but LEGAL immigrant hiring is?

William L. Polhemus, Jr. P.E.
Via iPhone 3G

On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Rbengrguy@aol.com wrote:

 
 
Attention  SEAINT 
 
re:   SE  Compensation
 
 
Shifting the  subject slightly  
 
Why not  see if your firm  is  using cheap  foreign labor   ???
 
Many  firms  pay their  foreign employees  ( H-1B's)   competitive  salaries     but  but but
 
then are these  salaries for   the best/brightest/brilliant   ( high-skilled )   engineers that  corporate America  claims we need so  bad?
at

Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

We've got a foreign laborer in the white House - and he doesn't even have an H1 Visa.

Why is that not a problem but LEGAL immigrant hiring is?

William L. Polhemus, Jr. P.E.
Via iPhone 3G

On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Rbengrguy@aol.com wrote:

 
 
Attention  SEAINT 
 
re:   SE  Compensation
 
 
Shifting the  subject slightly  
 
Why not  see if your firm  is  using cheap  foreign labor   ???
 
Many  firms  pay their  foreign employees  ( H-1B's)   competitive  salaries     but  but but
 
then are these  salaries for   the best/brightest/brilliant   ( high-skilled )   engineers that  corporate America  claims we need so  bad?
at

Re: re Structural Engineer compensation

Nearly all the big shot firms in SF have at least one, some up to 4+.

My firm has zero.

These are from 2008 applications, I wonder if they were the first to go when places started laying off people?

-gm

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:09 AM, <Rbengrguy@aol.com> wrote:
 
 
Attention  SEAINT 
 
re:   SE  Compensation
 
 
Shifting the  subject slightly  
 
Why not  see if your firm  is  using cheap  foreign labor   ???
 
Many  firms  pay their  foreign employees  ( H-1B's)   competitive  salaries     but  but but
 
then are these  salaries for   the best/brightest/brilliant   ( high-skilled )   engineers that  corporate America  claims we need so  bad?
 
To  check your  firm   go to the LCA  database      ( there are others)
 
 
 
 
 
 
Type in your  firm name and  your  state 
 
If it  does not shown anything  change the year    and keep on going  to  earlier   years
 
See what  turn up  -  check the salaries
 
If your firm is NOT  listed you may have to  type in just the  first name    and then scroll through the choices.
 
The name  search can be  somewhat  finicky.
 
 
For more on American Job  Destruction  (salaries too)  go to
 
 
 
bob
contributor to     www.eiass.com,     http://www.engology.com/ 
 
 
and  how many of you have ever  watched this  video???
 
 
 
 
 


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re Structural Engineer compensation

 
 
Attention  SEAINT 
 
re:   SE  Compensation
 
 
Shifting the  subject slightly  
 
Why not  see if your firm  is  using cheap  foreign labor   ???
 
Many  firms  pay their  foreign employees  ( H-1B's)   competitive  salaries     but  but but
 
then are these  salaries for   the best/brightest/brilliant   ( high-skilled )   engineers that  corporate America  claims we need so  bad?
 
To  check your  firm   go to the LCA  database      ( there are others)
 
 
 
 
 
 
Type in your  firm name and  your  state 
 
If it  does not shown anything  change the year    and keep on going  to  earlier   years
 
See what  turn up  -  check the salaries
 
If your firm is NOT  listed you may have to  type in just the  first name    and then scroll through the choices.
 
The name  search can be  somewhat  finicky.
 
 
For more on American Job  Destruction  (salaries too)  go to
 
 
 
bob
contributor to     www.eiass.com,     http://www.engology.com/ 
 
 
and  how many of you have ever  watched this  video???
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Spreadsheets for Cold-Formed Sections?

Conrad,
Thanks. I am going to look into both of these when I can find the time.
All of the engineers in this area(Southern Ontario) are busy. I have
two customers who are in the storage rack business, and one is quite
busy and hence I am also, along with all my other customers. That's is
why I
want to put everything into Excel, rather than 3 programs(SODA, CFS and
Excel). I may be day-dreaming.
I also have a thing about US units. Living so close to the border,
most of this area(Niagara Peninsula) has clung to Imperial but all our
Canadian codes are in metric. Further from the border, the use of
metric increases. On the other hand, so much technical help comes from
US sources. I end up working in both systems. Frustrating. Another
day-dream is that the USA will go metric, and I will also win the
lottery to-night.
Gary


Conrad Harrison wrote:
> Gary,
>
> I have VBA functions for cold-formed steel design to AS4600, mostly matches
> AISI:1996. But I have only setup calculation of section properties for
> c-sections and combinations of: nested, back-to-back, boxed.
>
> For other sections we have CFS. There is also CUFSM by Ben Schafer at John
> Hopkins University, along with plenty of tutorials and theory.
>
> http://www.ce.jhu.edu/bschafer/cufsm/
>
> Then there are worked examples in Greg Hancocks books on cold-formed steel
> design: these are tabulated approaches to calculating section properties, if
> you know how you can setup circular references in Excel worksheet and force
> iteration to automatically find the solution.
>
> At Excel Calcs there is also a spreadsheet for calculating section
> properties of apparently any shape. But I haven't had time to work through
> and see what it does, and it uses US units so little value to me.
>
> http://www.excelcalcs.com/
>
>
> At Exel calcs will find my entire VBA function library: schTechLib.xls.
>
>
>
>
> Regards
> Conrad Harrison
> B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
> mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
> Adelaide
> South Australia
>
>
>
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Friday, July 31, 2009

A Blast From The Past ...

SEAINT Readers:
 
Apparently, my editorial in the February 2001 Issue of STRUCTURE Magazine is not available in cyberspace.  Your requests for a PDF copy have far exceeded my expectations.  To stem the flow, I have cut and pasted the text of the original article below.  It has everything but my smiling mug shot and the printers fancy graphics.
 
Regards,
 
Stan R. Caldwell, P.E., SECB
Plano, Texas
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
STRUCTURE February 2001
 
From the Desk of ... 
 
Structural engineering has been around since the first cave shortage, yet there is a growing perception that this noble profession might now be dying.  What fuels this troublesome notion?  Perhaps it starts in high school, where many of the brightest students are encouraged not to pursue the "long, hard road" of engineering.  Why labor over calculus and matrix math, when those hours could be more productively spent learning "high tech" skills like HTML and JAVA?  Those who resist this logic are often advised to pursue fields of engineering such as electrical and chemical, which are perceived to offer high initial compensation and early exposure to emerging technology without the burden of obtaining a master's degree.
 
The perception does not improve in college.  Structural engineering is perhaps the only profession that is not supported by any dedicated departments or degree programs at major universities.  There is at least one large university where the dean of engineering believes that structural engineering is obsolete.  He views structural engineers as little more than math technicians who meticulously follow precise recipes to produce adequate designs.  When eminent professors of concrete and steel design have retired, he has replaced them with experts in newer "structural" areas like asphalt and reinforced polymers.  
 
In the workplace, many structural engineers find themselves positioned pretty low on the project "food chain."  MEP engineers typically receive higher fees in return for somewhat less effort and far less liability.  Architects and civil engineers are almost always the prime professionals on building and bridge projects, respectively.  They frequently select structural engineers based on price, and intentionally fail to involve structural engineers on some of their projects.  After all, only a handful of states enforce any type of "S.E." license.  Meanwhile, structural design codes and regulations have evolved into a self-perpetuating industry, with each revision becoming more prescriptive and allowing less opportunity for structural engineers to exercise their professional judgment.
 
Finally, there is the general public.  They really have no clue who we are or what we do.  Based on media reports, isn't it obvious that buildings are designed by architects and bridges are designed by state highway engineers?  I can think of only one movie featuring a structural engineer, and he turned out to be a terrorist.  The only instance that I know of where structural engineering has been referenced on commercial television is in a humorous advertisement for a motel chain.  Compare this with virtually any other profession.  The problem is not that we suffer from a poor public image, but that we have no image whatsoever.
 
Enough! The reality is that structural engineering is a wonderful profession with a bright future.  To quote Herbert Hoover: "Ours is a great profession.  There is the fascination of watching a figment of the imagination emerge through the aid of science to a plan on paper.  Then it moves to realization in stone or metal."  What greater satisfaction can there be than observing the successful completion of a significant building or bridge that you have nurtured from conception?  There is also considerable satisfaction derived from the service that we render to society.  As Ron Hamburger recently wrote: "Most structural engineers, over the course of their careers, are responsible for protecting more lives than most medical doctors."
 
It is a myth that structural engineering is a lousy business and structural engineers are poorly paid.  Structural engineers are not prohibited from acting as the prime professional on any project, and many are now seizing that opportunity.  While fee pressure will never be eliminated, it can be effectively remedied by emphasizing value and by striving for better clients and projects.  Structural engineers normally are compensated at least as well as architects and civil engineers with comparable experience, and some earn more than $200,000.
 
We provide structural engineering services by exercising considerable professional judgment, even though we don't always recognize it as such.  We are continually challenged with the ever-increasing size and complexity of our structures, as well as the advanced materials and techniques used in their construction.  Computers have given us incredible power to test multiple options and visualize the results without the number crunching drudgery of the past.  In fact, with GUI systems now in common use, it could be argued that structural engineering is actually fun!
 
A final concern is that the future of structural engineering is not guaranteed.  It is the obligation of all structural engineers to improve the profession and preserve it for the generations that follow.  Reality must overcome perception, and not vice versa.  We need to work individually and collectively to dispel the myths that are prevalent among students and educators, prospects and clients, regulatory organizations, and the general public.  This is the daunting mission of the Advocacy Committee of NCSEA.  It will require an army of volunteer speakers and writers.  Are you willing to help?
 
 
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Re: Nails to Metal Truss

Good point - that may be a good retrofit option if it gets to that point...


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Drew Morris <dmorris@bbfm.com> wrote:
Is it possible to add screws with neoprene washers through the metal roofing?


Andy Richardson wrote:
Thanks for the input. 

The problem is that there is a metal roof installed over the plywood.  In order to add screws, the metal roof has to be removed! 

I did not do the engineering on the existing roof.  In fact, I do not think there was an engineer involved.  That is why I want to be sure that before I bring this to the attention to the owner, there is no data supporting the use of these nails.  I did a bit of searching, and have not seen any ICC reports or other manufacturer data. 

Regards,
Andy


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:53 PM, David Topete <d.topete73@gmail.com> wrote:
Like Drew mentioned, screws are the ideal fastener.  If you have a 6" fastening pattern, add screws and neglect any contribution from a spiral nail that may or may not have some withdrawal resistance.


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Drew Morris <dmorris@bbfm.com> wrote:
See if there is some sort of ICC report on these nails and whether they have any published withdrawal values.  Screws would have been better.


Andy Richardson wrote:
Has anyone heard of a valid use of 8d spiral nails for attaching 5/8" OSB to metal trusses.  I am working on a porch addition to a 3-year old school where this was done on the roof.  I am concerned that the nails will not be adequate for uplift.  This project is in a 130 mph, exp b location.  The uplift forces at the corner can be ~75 lbs per nail based on a 6" pattern.

Regards,
Andy Richardson
Beaufort, SC
www.structuralinnovationsllc.com



--
David Topete, SE


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RE: Old Codes

Can I have your golf clubs?  J

 

A Structural Engineer, P.C.

Glenn C. Otto, P.E.

Virginia Beach, VA

Website:  www.astructuralengineeronline.com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Persing [mailto:jim.jep@bendbroadband.com]
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:17 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Old Codes

 

It has been awhile since I have been on this list so let me know if I am out of order here.  I am in the process of retiring and getting rid of my book library.  I have a number of old codes – Uniform Building Codes from the 70’s and City of LA codes from the mid 60’s through the 70’s.  I also have some specialty books such as Distribution of Lateral Forces by Briggs.  If anybody is interested let me know and I will email you individually with the list.  I am NOT selling any of these.  I only would like to get them to someone who can either use them or add them to their own collection.

 

Jim Persing

Jim.jep@bendbroadband.com

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Re: Old Codes

Dear,

I am interested about the Books.

Kindly, forward me the list.

Regards,

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Jim Persing<jim.jep@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
> It has been awhile since I have been on this list so let me know if I am out
> of order here.  I am in the process of retiring and getting rid of my book
> library.  I have a number of old codes – Uniform Building Codes from the
> 70's and City of LA codes from the mid 60's through the 70's.  I also have
> some specialty books such as Distribution of Lateral Forces by Briggs.  If
> anybody is interested let me know and I will email you individually with the
> list.  I am NOT selling any of these.  I only would like to get them to
> someone who can either use them or add them to their own collection.
>
>
>
> Jim Persing
>
> Jim.jep@bendbroadband.com

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RE: Old Codes

I would be interested in taking a look at the list, thanks !

 

From: Jim Persing [mailto:jim.jep@bendbroadband.com]
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:17 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Old Codes

 

It has been awhile since I have been on this list so let me know if I am out of order here.  I am in the process of retiring and getting rid of my book library.  I have a number of old codes – Uniform Building Codes from the 70’s and City of LA codes from the mid 60’s through the 70’s.  I also have some specialty books such as Distribution of Lateral Forces by Briggs.  If anybody is interested let me know and I will email you individually with the list.  I am NOT selling any of these.  I only would like to get them to someone who can either use them or add them to their own collection.

 

Jim Persing

Jim.jep@bendbroadband.com

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Old Codes

It has been awhile since I have been on this list so let me know if I am out of order here.  I am in the process of retiring and getting rid of my book library.  I have a number of old codes – Uniform Building Codes from the 70’s and City of LA codes from the mid 60’s through the 70’s.  I also have some specialty books such as Distribution of Lateral Forces by Briggs.  If anybody is interested let me know and I will email you individually with the list.  I am NOT selling any of these.  I only would like to get them to someone who can either use them or add them to their own collection.

 

Jim Persing

Jim.jep@bendbroadband.com

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RE: Aluminum on Steel -> Galvanic Corrosion

Separate with neoprene.
Al

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> Any comments?
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Re: The Myth of Inadequate Structural Engineering Compensation

erik_g@cox.net wrote:
Typical Texan response. Totally neglect the current economic climate. Sorry, I had to say it. Although I do agree with some of your points.
"The current economic climate" has nothing to do with the case. This has been a recurring them on SEAINT for years along with "LRFD vs. ASD for steel," "How do I calculate the c.g. of a circle," and "The Democrat Party: Threat or Menace?" (Okay, that last one only ever comes from me, but you get the idea).

Back when things were booming we were still dealing with "our guys" complaining about getting the short end of the stick from our dear archy brethren as well as owners and other such-like client types.

And I'll bet when we've finally gotten rid of the socialist hate-mongers in D.C., and put some conservatives in office who understand that "business climate" isn't defined as "how much I can get from lobbyists' kickbacks," we'll still be dealing with this issue.
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Re: Nails to Metal Truss

Is it possible to add screws with neoprene washers through the metal roofing?

Andy Richardson wrote:
Thanks for the input. 

The problem is that there is a metal roof installed over the plywood.  In order to add screws, the metal roof has to be removed! 

I did not do the engineering on the existing roof.  In fact, I do not think there was an engineer involved.  That is why I want to be sure that before I bring this to the attention to the owner, there is no data supporting the use of these nails.  I did a bit of searching, and have not seen any ICC reports or other manufacturer data. 

Regards,
Andy


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:53 PM, David Topete <d.topete73@gmail.com> wrote:
Like Drew mentioned, screws are the ideal fastener.  If you have a 6" fastening pattern, add screws and neglect any contribution from a spiral nail that may or may not have some withdrawal resistance.


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Drew Morris <dmorris@bbfm.com> wrote:
See if there is some sort of ICC report on these nails and whether they have any published withdrawal values.  Screws would have been better.


Andy Richardson wrote:
Has anyone heard of a valid use of 8d spiral nails for attaching 5/8" OSB to metal trusses.  I am working on a porch addition to a 3-year old school where this was done on the roof.  I am concerned that the nails will not be adequate for uplift.  This project is in a 130 mph, exp b location.  The uplift forces at the corner can be ~75 lbs per nail based on a 6" pattern.

Regards,
Andy Richardson
Beaufort, SC
www.structuralinnovationsllc.com



--
David Topete, SE

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Re: Nails to Metal Truss

Thanks for the input. 

The problem is that there is a metal roof installed over the plywood.  In order to add screws, the metal roof has to be removed! 

I did not do the engineering on the existing roof.  In fact, I do not think there was an engineer involved.  That is why I want to be sure that before I bring this to the attention to the owner, there is no data supporting the use of these nails.  I did a bit of searching, and have not seen any ICC reports or other manufacturer data. 

Regards,
Andy


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:53 PM, David Topete <d.topete73@gmail.com> wrote:
Like Drew mentioned, screws are the ideal fastener.  If you have a 6" fastening pattern, add screws and neglect any contribution from a spiral nail that may or may not have some withdrawal resistance.


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Drew Morris <dmorris@bbfm.com> wrote:
See if there is some sort of ICC report on these nails and whether they have any published withdrawal values.  Screws would have been better.


Andy Richardson wrote:
Has anyone heard of a valid use of 8d spiral nails for attaching 5/8" OSB to metal trusses.  I am working on a porch addition to a 3-year old school where this was done on the roof.  I am concerned that the nails will not be adequate for uplift.  This project is in a 130 mph, exp b location.  The uplift forces at the corner can be ~75 lbs per nail based on a 6" pattern.

Regards,
Andy Richardson
Beaufort, SC
www.structuralinnovationsllc.com



--
David Topete, SE

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Re: The Myth of Inadequate Structural Engineering Compensation

Stan Caldwell wrote:
SEAINT Readers:
 
Let me start with an admission.  I make a very good living and I always have.  It is more money than I need and more than I can reasonably spend (my wife would disagree), so I routinely throw a lot of it away in the stock market.  I am not unique.  All of the licensed professional engineers on my staff annually make more than $100K, and I know dozens of structural engineers in Texas and around the country that annually make more than $200K.  The idea that structural engineers are not well-compensated is simply a myth.  Any structural engineer who puts his/her mind to it and applies themselves should be able to achieve annual compensation of at least $[3xAGE]K.  If that engineer is lucky enough to live in Texas, he/she pays no state income tax and probably bought a big brick house with a pool in a desirable neighborhood for less than $100/sf.
Stan, with all respect - in fact, with my compliments - you operate in a rather different environment than many structural engineers. I believe that Halff is quite involved in public sector work. That's a far more lucrative sector of the engineering economy than most other.

I know that the typical private-sector engineering firm - even the big engineer-contractors - can typically expect a 2-3% annual ROE. I believe the average for all engineering firms, large and small, is somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-8%.

Some years ago when I worked at a Texas firm that was similar to Halff in the type of work it did, it was not uncommon to see between 10 and 20% ROE. Again, that's not a criticism or a slight, it's just a recognition that all engineering business is not created equal.

The same is true in other areas, such as medicine. A plastic surgeon is going to be able to roll in it for much of his life whereas a pediatrician is definitely the guy next door in your neighborhood.

Many of the people here on SEAINT are small operators, some of them sole proprietors. They are sort of (again, meaning no disrespect) the "bottom feeders" of our profession, taking work that large firms such as yours wouldn't even dream of doing. They do it for the enjoyment and they do it because they choose to do it. But they don't necessarily do it because they are privileged to charge whatever they want to charge. It is understandable, though, that sometimes they would get a bit frustrated. I'm not working for myself any longer for the simple reason that I just couldn't make enough money working in that environment to allow me to raise the "second family" that was suddenly thrust upon me.

In the end, you need to decide what's important to you. It is true that you can make money in engineering - hey, even as a STRUCTURAL engineer. But if you want to make LOTS of money, you will have to take greater risks, be willing to press the flesh and make the industry and/or political contacts you need, network a lot, hire employees and do what a real entrepeneur has to do. There are many engineers who don't really want to do that - I was somewhere in the middle, FWIW.

I agree that it's unfair to expect to just hang out your shingle and charge whatever you want to charge. We still operate in a free market, which is the worst business environment in the world, except for all the others. You have to work. You aren't going to get bailed out with someone else's money - I don't care what The One told you during the election campaign.

There comes a time when the investment pays off, and you are able to downshift a bit. Things begin to run themselves (under the tutelage of your faithful senior employees, that is).

But not before a lot of blood, sweat, and tears.

I think that your story is correct - IF you put it in the right context. It is ridiculous for well-educated engineers to believe that the world, or society, or the current administration, "owes" them an easy path to wealth and happiness. That is NEVER true, anywhere. Even the billionaire narco-terrorists in Mexico have to put in a lot of hours.

Young engineers should understand that you can make a very good living, but ONLY if you're willing to work hard, take risks, and expect to have to go through the tough times. There's no linear path to success.
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