Saturday, August 29, 2009

Re: seaint Digest for 28 Aug 2009

Thor Tandy wrote:
> Does anyone know why the postings are coming out in reams of MIME?
>
Or why, when I post, the message seems to rhyme?

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RE: Seismic design requirements for nonstructural components

Check ASCE 7-05, Section 11.7. 

Regards, Harold Sprague


 

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:19:02 +0000
From: mbing.london@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Seismic design requirements for nonstructural components
To: seaint@seaint.org

What are the seismic requirements for nonstructural components for a building in seismic design category A?
I'm currently using IBC 2003 and ASCE 7-05 on a project in the UAE. It is my understanding that chapter 13 of ASCE-7 does not applies to category A building but I'm not totally sure.
 
Thanks for any hints
 
Mauro
 
 
Mauro Bono
Senior Structural Engineer
Italy 



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RE: computer stuff - Beer stuff

On a much more important note, Boulevard Brewery now makes a Pilsner that is one of those beers that must be savored. 
 
This is REALLY important stuff. 

Regards, Harold Sprague

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Kester [mailto:akester@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:04 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: re: computer stuff

Man, there are a lot of computer nerds on this list! Who knew this would spur more debates and posts then one of Bill's no-spin-zone posts… I feel like punching some of you in the arm and throwing your backpack in the garbage.

 

What we all need is whatever awesome computer they have on CSI Miami. That thing is unbelievable. They have access to every database in the world. They have 3-D models of every building in Miami-Dade county. And with 5 seconds of key strokes they can get any view, animate it, and add people falling off buildings and getting shot. Take that BIM! (Maybe it is my lack of maturity but every time I read "BIM" I think about going to the bathroom.) That office is pretty sweet too, all glass and super modern, like every police station of course. Wish structural offices were like that, and with the girls walking around that are on CSI Miami, oh wait, wouldn't get any work done…. Calli, do you have that Xref background done yet that the architect sent over last week? (While I am staring out the window with my sunglasses on, in a gravely voice.)

 

Hope that was completely unhelpful. Happy Friday, is it beer thirty somewhere? Make mine a Paulener Hefeweizen in a tall pilsner glass. Followed by a domestic from my homestate, Leinenkugels Sunset Wheat, or as I call it, the nectar of the Chippewa Falls Gods.

 

Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL



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RE: seaint Digest for 28 Aug 2009

I'm getting listings in digest form for a while. Does anyone know why the
postings are coming out in reams of MIME?

Thor A. Tandy P.Eng, C.Eng, Struct.Eng, MIStructE
Victoria, BC
Canada

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Re: computer stuff

After reading this, I got an uncontrollable urge to go to the basement to visit that little fridge in the back corner.
Gary

Andrew Kester wrote:

Man, there are a lot of computer nerds on this list! Who knew this would spur more debates and posts then one of Bill’s no-spin-zone posts… I feel like punching some of you in the arm and throwing your backpack in the garbage.

 

What we all need is whatever awesome computer they have on CSI Miami. That thing is unbelievable. They have access to every database in the world. They have 3-D models of every building in Miami-Dade county. And with 5 seconds of key strokes they can get any view, animate it, and add people falling off buildings and getting shot. Take that BIM! (Maybe it is my lack of maturity but every time I read ”BIM” I think about going to the bathroom.) That office is pretty sweet too, all glass and super modern, like every police station of course. Wish structural offices were like that, and with the girls walking around that are on CSI Miami, oh wait, wouldn’t get any work done…. Calli, do you have that Xref background done yet that the architect sent over last week? (While I am staring out the window with my sunglasses on, in a gravely voice.)

 

Hope that was completely unhelpful. Happy Friday, is it beer thirty somewhere? Make mine a Paulener Hefeweizen in a tall pilsner glass. Followed by a domestic from my homestate, Leinenkugels Sunset Wheat, or as I call it, the nectar of the Chippewa Falls Gods.

 

Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL

Friday, August 28, 2009

Re: computer stuff

Stan's post brings back memories.  I remember drinking Schlitz and Blatz back in upstate new York in the early 1970's.  They were more of a national beer then, I think Schlitz was in the top 3 or so.  Nowadays I'm a PBR man, although for special occasions I break out a Utica Club brought back from New York or Genesee that is available locally in Anchorage.

Stan Caldwell wrote:
Andrew:
 
After waiting fifteen years or more, I am delighted to find that this listserv has finally stumbled upon a truly important topic ... BEER!  Also, discovering that you are a fellow native of the great state of Wisconsin instantly elevates my opinion of you.
 
As a native of Madison, way back before they executed all of the Republicans in that region, I grew up believing that beer was probably the meaning of life and was certainly one of the principal food groups (along with cheese, ice cream, and bratwurst).  I began my beer drinking experience in a serious way at the tender age of 12, and my beer drinking experience probably peaked somewhere between the ages of 16 and 18.  Back then, every town in Wisconsin with more than 500 citizens had its own brewery.  The biggest town, Milwaukee, had the four biggies:  Schlitz, Blatz, Miller, and Pabst.  Being a blue ribbon kinda guy, the latter was my favorite biggie.  My favorite overall was Leinenkugels Red.  It still is, but now it shares top billing with Fat Tire and Shiner Bock ("the National Beer of Texas"). 
 
My beer drinking has been in decline over the past 44 years.  Perhaps I have been living too far from Wisconsin.  
 
Regards,
 
Stan R. Caldwell, North Texas Badger
 
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Andrew Kester <akester@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

Hope that was completely unhelpful. Happy Friday, is it beer thirty somewhere? Make mine a Paulener Hefeweizen in a tall pilsner glass. Followed by a domestic from my homestate, Leinenkugels Sunset Wheat, or as I call it, the nectar of the Chippewa Falls Gods.

Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL


Re: computer stuff

Andrew:
 
After waiting fifteen years or more, I am delighted to find that this listserv has finally stumbled upon a truly important topic ... BEER!  Also, discovering that you are a fellow native of the great state of Wisconsin instantly elevates my opinion of you.
 
As a native of Madison, way back before they executed all of the Republicans in that region, I grew up believing that beer was probably the meaning of life and was certainly one of the principal food groups (along with cheese, ice cream, and bratwurst).  I began my beer drinking experience in a serious way at the tender age of 12, and my beer drinking experience probably peaked somewhere between the ages of 16 and 18.  Back then, every town in Wisconsin with more than 500 citizens had its own brewery.  The biggest town, Milwaukee, had the four biggies:  Schlitz, Blatz, Miller, and Pabst.  Being a blue ribbon kinda guy, the latter was my favorite biggie.  My favorite overall was Leinenkugels Red.  It still is, but now it shares top billing with Fat Tire and Shiner Bock ("the National Beer of Texas"). 
 
My beer drinking has been in decline over the past 44 years.  Perhaps I have been living too far from Wisconsin.  
 
Regards,
 
Stan R. Caldwell, North Texas Badger
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Andrew Kester <akester@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

Hope that was completely unhelpful. Happy Friday, is it beer thirty somewhere? Make mine a Paulener Hefeweizen in a tall pilsner glass. Followed by a domestic from my homestate, Leinenkugels Sunset Wheat, or as I call it, the nectar of the Chippewa Falls Gods.

Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL


Re: computer stuff

Mmmmm, beeeeer.  <drool>
</homer>

Doug Mayer

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:56 AM, "Glenn Otto" <ggator1256@cox.net> wrote:

My head is still spinning.  As Little John said to Robin Hood: "you've stirred up a bloody hornet's nest now"

 

Must…get…a …beer..

 

A Structural Engineer, P.C.

Glenn C. Otto, P.E.

Virginia Beach, VA

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Kester [mailto:akester@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:04 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: re: computer stuff

 

Man, there are a lot of computer nerds on this list! Who knew this would spur more debates and posts then one of Bill's no-spin-zone posts… I feel like punching some of you in the arm and throwing your backpack in the garbage.

 

What we all need is whatever awesome computer they have on CSI Miami. That thing is unbelievable. They have access to every database in the world. They have 3-D models of every building in Miami-Dade county. And with 5 seconds of key strokes they can get any view, animate it, and add people falling off buildings and getting shot. Take that BIM! (Maybe it is my lack of maturity but every time I read "BIM" I think about going to the bathroom.) That office is pretty sweet too, all glass and super modern, like every police station of course. Wish structural offices were like that, and with the girls walking around that are on CSI Miami, oh wait, wouldn't get any work done…. Calli, do you have that Xref background done yet that the architect sent over last week? (While I am staring out the window with my sunglasses on, in a gravely voice.)

 

Hope that was completely unhelpful. Happy Friday, is it beer thirty somewhere? Make mine a Paulener Hefeweizen in a tall pilsner glass. Followed by a domestic from my homestate, Leinenkugels Sunset Wheat, or as I call it, the nectar of the Chippewa Falls Gods.

 

Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL

RE: computer stuff

My head is still spinning.  As Little John said to Robin Hood: “you’ve stirred up a bloody hornet’s nest now”

 

Must…get…a …beer..

 

A Structural Engineer, P.C.

Glenn C. Otto, P.E.

Virginia Beach, VA

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Kester [mailto:akester@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:04 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: re: computer stuff

 

Man, there are a lot of computer nerds on this list! Who knew this would spur more debates and posts then one of Bill’s no-spin-zone posts… I feel like punching some of you in the arm and throwing your backpack in the garbage.

 

What we all need is whatever awesome computer they have on CSI Miami. That thing is unbelievable. They have access to every database in the world. They have 3-D models of every building in Miami-Dade county. And with 5 seconds of key strokes they can get any view, animate it, and add people falling off buildings and getting shot. Take that BIM! (Maybe it is my lack of maturity but every time I read ”BIM” I think about going to the bathroom.) That office is pretty sweet too, all glass and super modern, like every police station of course. Wish structural offices were like that, and with the girls walking around that are on CSI Miami, oh wait, wouldn’t get any work done…. Calli, do you have that Xref background done yet that the architect sent over last week? (While I am staring out the window with my sunglasses on, in a gravely voice.)

 

Hope that was completely unhelpful. Happy Friday, is it beer thirty somewhere? Make mine a Paulener Hefeweizen in a tall pilsner glass. Followed by a domestic from my homestate, Leinenkugels Sunset Wheat, or as I call it, the nectar of the Chippewa Falls Gods.

 

Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL

RE: Seismic design requirements for nonstructural components

Mauro,

 

Seismic Design Category A or B has no seismic bracing required.  A free pass to ignore any seismic requirements. Hope that helps!

 

Andrea Mayes

ISAT Seismic Bracing

714-994-6353

www.ISATsb.com

 

From: Mauro Bono [mailto:mbing.london@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:19 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Seismic design requirements for nonstructural components

 

What are the seismic requirements for nonstructural components for a building in seismic design category A?

I'm currently using IBC 2003 and ASCE 7-05 on a project in the UAE. It is my understanding that chapter 13 of ASCE-7 does not applies to category A building but I'm not totally sure.

 

Thanks for any hints

 

Mauro

 

 

Mauro Bono

Senior Structural Engineer

Italy 

 

Seismic design requirements for nonstructural components

What are the seismic requirements for nonstructural components for a building in seismic design category A?
I'm currently using IBC 2003 and ASCE 7-05 on a project in the UAE. It is my understanding that chapter 13 of ASCE-7 does not applies to category A building but I'm not totally sure.
 
Thanks for any hints
 
Mauro
 
 
Mauro Bono
Senior Structural Engineer
Italy 

RE: computer stuff

Ditto! I almost offered up a free beer after reading J

 


From: erik_g@cox.net [mailto:erik_g@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:33 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: RE: computer stuff

 

Man, that has to be one of the best posts I have ever seen on this list. I wish this list had a "best" function , because I would nominate that post as numero uno.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Kester [mailto:akester@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:04 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: re: computer stuff

Man, there are a lot of computer nerds on this list! Who knew this would spur more debates and posts then one of Bill’s no-spin-zone posts… I feel like punching some of you in the arm and throwing your backpack in the garbage.

 

What we all need is whatever awesome computer they have on CSI Miami. That thing is unbelievable. They have access to every database in the world. They have 3-D models of every building in Miami-Dade county. And with 5 seconds of key strokes they can get any view, animate it, and add people falling off buildings and getting shot. Take that BIM! (Maybe it is my lack of maturity but every time I read ”BIM” I think about going to the bathroom.) That office is pretty sweet too, all glass and super modern, like every police station of course. Wish structural offices were like that, and with the girls walking around that are on CSI Miami, oh wait, wouldn’t get any work done…. Calli, do you have that Xref background done yet that the architect sent over last week? (While I am staring out the window with my sunglasses on, in a gravely voice.)

 

Hope that was completely unhelpful. Happy Friday, is it beer thirty somewhere? Make mine a Paulener Hefeweizen in a tall pilsner glass. Followed by a domestic from my homestate, Leinenkugels Sunset Wheat, or as I call it, the nectar of the Chippewa Falls Gods.

 

Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL

RE: computer stuff

Man, that has to be one of the best posts I have ever seen on this list. I wish this list had a "best" function , because I would nominate that post as numero uno.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Kester [mailto:akester@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:04 AM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: re: computer stuff

Man, there are a lot of computer nerds on this list! Who knew this would spur more debates and posts then one of Bill’s no-spin-zone posts… I feel like punching some of you in the arm and throwing your backpack in the garbage.

 

What we all need is whatever awesome computer they have on CSI Miami. That thing is unbelievable. They have access to every database in the world. They have 3-D models of every building in Miami-Dade county. And with 5 seconds of key strokes they can get any view, animate it, and add people falling off buildings and getting shot. Take that BIM! (Maybe it is my lack of maturity but every time I read ”BIM” I think about going to the bathroom.) That office is pretty sweet too, all glass and super modern, like every police station of course. Wish structural offices were like that, and with the girls walking around that are on CSI Miami, oh wait, wouldn’t get any work done…. Calli, do you have that Xref background done yet that the architect sent over last week? (While I am staring out the window with my sunglasses on, in a gravely voice.)

 

Hope that was completely unhelpful. Happy Friday, is it beer thirty somewhere? Make mine a Paulener Hefeweizen in a tall pilsner glass. Followed by a domestic from my homestate, Leinenkugels Sunset Wheat, or as I call it, the nectar of the Chippewa Falls Gods.

 

Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL

re: computer stuff

Man, there are a lot of computer nerds on this list! Who knew this would spur more debates and posts then one of Bill’s no-spin-zone posts… I feel like punching some of you in the arm and throwing your backpack in the garbage.

 

What we all need is whatever awesome computer they have on CSI Miami. That thing is unbelievable. They have access to every database in the world. They have 3-D models of every building in Miami-Dade county. And with 5 seconds of key strokes they can get any view, animate it, and add people falling off buildings and getting shot. Take that BIM! (Maybe it is my lack of maturity but every time I read ”BIM” I think about going to the bathroom.) That office is pretty sweet too, all glass and super modern, like every police station of course. Wish structural offices were like that, and with the girls walking around that are on CSI Miami, oh wait, wouldn’t get any work done…. Calli, do you have that Xref background done yet that the architect sent over last week? (While I am staring out the window with my sunglasses on, in a gravely voice.)

 

Hope that was completely unhelpful. Happy Friday, is it beer thirty somewhere? Make mine a Paulener Hefeweizen in a tall pilsner glass. Followed by a domestic from my homestate, Leinenkugels Sunset Wheat, or as I call it, the nectar of the Chippewa Falls Gods.

 

Andrew Kester, PE

Orlando, FL

RE: Wind load and pile depths for wooden fences (San Jose)

Dmitri,

I don't believe there was any deliberate intent to hide so called safety
factors, it is more to do with subtle use of the English language.
Reliability is a statistical matter, and in statistics when carrying out an
hypothesis test, an hypothesis is never fully accepted, rather it is not
rejected. Thus we say: we do not reject the hypothesis that the mean yield
strength of the material is 300MPa, rather than conclude that the mean yield
strength is 300MPa.

Also in mechanical design, I had it hammered in, never to refer to factors
of safety, but to refer to design factors or factors of ignorance. A factor
of safety infers safety, when no such safety is provided. Reference to
factor of ignorance also not all that good, since multiplying by 100, may
still only get 1% of the real load, if have high level of ignorance of the
system being designed. We deal with uncertainty, and I believe those
advocating the limit state approach, here, believe we should deal more
directly with the risk and uncertainty, and not be misled by so called
safety factors in the codes. Codes do not produce safe designs, rather they
produce a design which some committee considers to have an acceptable risk
of failure: the designers and end-users may have a different view. If a
failure occurs the jury and coroner may also have a different view.
Complying with the codes doesn't get you off the hook. The designer needs
have some understanding of variability and uncertainty.

My understanding of the soft conversion to limit state relative to steel
structures is as follows:

Z = elastic section modulus
Fy = yield strength
M = applied moment

Permissible stress design
M = 0.6 Fy*Z

Or

M / (0.6Fy*Z) <= 1

Rearranging the equality gives:

1.67M = Fy*Z

Suggesting to some to declare that the structure is 67% stronger than it
needs to be. Which totally neglects the variation in Fy and Z. It also
declares that M is the actual value of the action-effect likely to be
experienced by the structure, or that its maximum value is certain.

Soft conversion to limit state is therefore to split the design factor, into
two components: capacity reduction factor, and load factor. To then give.

1.5M <= 0.9Fy*Z

Or

0.9Fy*Z / 1.5M >= 1

Where for hard conversion, (0.9Z) should be replaced by the 5th percentile
estimate of the section property being considered, and 1.5M is replaced by
the 95th percentile estimate of the load. Other percentiles could be used,
and more rigorous consideration of reliability make more complex still. (as
you say wind, snow, and seismic have different return periods, or here
different annual probabilities of exceedence. Which suggests the most recent
change has invalidated the 5% probability of load exceedence.)

Our resistances and loads are all estimates. In some situations the standard
deviations on the resistances and the loads are low, in others they are
large. By improving control in manufacturing the standard deviation on the
resistance can be reduced so that the 5th percentile resistance is a lot
closer to the mean value. Not all structures are buildings, and for many
structures it is possible to have a high level of control over the loading
of the structure, so that 95th percentile load can be calculated and the
standard deviation kept low so that close to the mean or nominal value of
loading. The steel structures code may indicate that it primarily relates to
buildings but it is used for more than just buildings. Further more
increased control over the operating environment can eliminate the need to
increase required design loads. Thus research into crowds and panic
behaviour is leading to improved approaches for evacuating sports stadia,
without need to increase design loads on associated structures.

Since we largely use nominal values in design, we replace 0.9Z with phi*Z,
and 1.5M with chi*M (strictly our code only uses chi for serviceability load
reductions, but it is still a load factor, so for convenience I use as
such). The values of phi and chi, are then supposedly determined so that
nominal values are transformed into the required 5th and 95th percentile
values. And a load is not taken as the 95th percentile value if it has a
stabilising influence, or otherwise provides a resistance, then it needs to
be a 5th percentile value. In the soft conversion phi, may provide allowance
for other aspects of uncertainty other than variation in section properties.
For this purpose I think there should be additional capacity reduction
factors and load factors, and their purpose more explicitly identified. I
don't see any problem with doing so, the timber structures code has a
multitude of 'k' values to adjust resistance of a section.

Also there is nothing stopping anyone writing:

1) N = phi*Fy*Z / chi*M
2) N >= 1

Or

3) n = chi*M / phi*Fy*Z
4) n <= 1
5) n = 1/N

Where by the design factors (N,n) give an indication of efficiency relative
to the requirements of the code, not an indication of greater or lesser
safety. Equality is seldom achieved, for few sections are optimised for a
specific purpose.

As I indicated previously the advocates of risk based design, cite how
patients are comfortable with a life or death situation and making a
decision when doctor tells them operation has a 30% success rate.
Engineering tends to have a far better success rate.

The objective is not to obscure but to place in more familiar terms. It has
also been noted, that with increased emphasis on statistical process
control, and risk management requirements for occupational health and
safety, that a greater proportion of the population has understanding of the
problems of uncertainty, variability and risk. So explaining risk to the
public is not a major issue.

For the advocates of risk based design, engineers who insist on quoting
safety factors of 2 and the likes, they are part of the problem, not the
solution. They are the ones who distort public perceptions, and generate a
public demanding safer structures. After all before building collapsed did
say it had a factor of safety of 2. If it collapsed it must have been less
than one. And therefore can engineers be relied on?

Know the storey of the USS Pueblo? Before probability of US Ship being
boarded zero. After increased to 1.

If there is a 5% probability that the design load will be exceeded and a 5%
probability the load will not be up to strength, then there is a risk that
the structure will fail. Can we prevent failure? Generally No. But we can
reduce the probability of over load and the probability of lack of
resistance, and exponentially increase the cost of supply. The requirements
in the code suddenly become that more preferable rather than excessive and
unnecessary cost. If it fails. We didn't say it wouldn't fail, nor at what
time it would fail. The question is should it have failed under the
conditions experienced? Sure may get that with a safety factor, but focus
then is on: the engineer failed not the structure failed: because engineer
implied it wouldn't.

So I don't believe risk based design makes anything more complicated to the
public, nor does it hide anything. The numbers can be discarded and a purely
qualitative explanation of risks can be given to the public. So I guess I am
more advocate than opponent. Also from my perspective it fits in with
philosophical basis of Taguchi's methods, design of experiments and
principles of quality robust design. At its simplest: need to recognise
variation and allow for in design.

Quality robust design also tends to place a focus on the possibility of
failure, and the mode of failure, the behaviour of the system at failure. So
a single numerical factor of safety doesn't really inform about anything. As
you indicated there is buckling, yield, fracture, progressive collapse,
formation of plastic hinges, and more. These may lead to early failure, or
provide reserve and early warning of impending failure.

I don't believe a factor of safety would generate the better understanding
that you were wishing to promote. That understanding is not about the
numbers but qualitative awareness of the behaviour of the whole structure,
not just its component parts.

Regards
Conrad Harrison
B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
Adelaide
South Australia

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Thursday, August 27, 2009

Re: Mac conversion from PC

Scott
 
You are completely correct that there are fully bootable solutions for Windows as well (in fact Casper is another great one). My point about the transferability of bootable backups was mentioned intentionally, and AFAIK, this is not possible due to Windows activation, registry, and general dependency on the specific hardware profile of the machine it's installed upon. Macs have no problem booting from backups (USB, FireWire, or SD Card, now) from any other contemporary Mac, and Parallels images don't either. 

One of the main problems that I was trying to solve with the switch to the Mac was in response to something that had actually and recently happened in our small engineering office.

That morning, the engineer got to the computer (a PC) bright and early because we had a deadline at 5pm that same night. Moving his mouse to jitter the monitor awake (the computer is always on for the late-night backups, virus checks, etc.) - nothing happened. It was frozen, so like anyone else, the engineer did a hard-reset. The computer turned off, and didn't turn back on. It wasn't the hard drive that had failed, but something had happened between when he stopped working the night before, and the morning that basically killed his computer. 

We've all been there, and luckily the after a sweat-drenched hour, the computer decided to turn back on, but the moral of the story was this: for a self-employed engineer facing an impending deadline - this is deadly. Sure, he could switch to his laptop, retrieve the most recent backup of his files from the external, and start slowly working, but this would require significant additional time that he simply did not have. Therefore, the question became: how, barring having to purchase and maintain two identical PC's, could that office ensure almost uninterrupted uptime?

After researching networked solutions, server-based solutions, RAID arrays, etc, the solution became clear - a switch to the Mac operating system (in addition to the other aforementioned benefits which are vastly important), will allow this or any other office to have a current bootable backup at all times, which can be plugged into pretty much any other Mac (for example, purchased in 15 minutes at the local Apple store or borrowed from a friend) and used without interruption. This, transferability, in addition to boot-ability, is the simplest way that we have come up with for solving this problem, especially with Parallels.

Do you have any other suggestions for this type of situation? I was personally amazed at the lack of solutions to such a simple question.

Thanks,

_______________________________
Eugene Gordin, EIT
Doctoral Student
Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
www.eugenegordin.com
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 14:41
Subject: Re: Mac conversion from PC

I won't quibble with much, but I will quibble with some.

"
Your old PC runs at full speed (it has direct  access to your Mac's processor) and you can allocate how much memory you want  it to take up"

Yes and no.  While for the most part, you will get full speed running Windows through a VM program like Parallels, there IS a performance hit.  It is not anywhere near as bad a performance hit as when you ran Windows in an emulation program (like Virtual PC) on the older PowerPC platform, but there is one.  You will notice it most when going graphically intensive programs.  Prior to Parallels Desktop 4 (i.e. Version 3 and earlier) you did not even consider doing an real gaming in Windows running in Parallels...and this would have also largely effected things like AutoCAD, especially if you do 3D modeling in AutoCAD (or I would expect Revit).  This is supposedly a lot better in version 4 of Parallels, but it is still not the same as running Windows natively in Boot Camp.  Now, I am not saying that you cannot run the likes of AutoCAD in Parallels, but just be aware that you will take a bit of a performance hit, especially if you are trying to do some sort of a large 3D model.

As to Superduper, yes, it is a great program.  I use it as well for my Mac as my primary backup method (I use secondary and "thirdary" (is that tertiary?) methods as well).  But, you can nominally do the same thing on a PC.  I use True Image to clone my boot drives of my Windows boxes.  While it is tougher to do such a clone backup to a bootable external drive (because not all PCs have the ability to boot off USB...and even if they do, Windows can be a little finicky at times booting from USB), it can be done (I do it by way of an eSATA connection).  But, frankly for this type of backup, it is no problem to put the backup drive internally if the main drive hoses (you can clone to a USB drive just fine...just tend to have issues trying to boot from it on a PC) as you will likely be needing to replace the hosed drive anyway.  And I will note that generally speaking the cloning process on my PCs is WAY faster than on my Mac for a brand spanking new clone (Superduper can do "smart clones" were it updates the clone you have previously done, which can dramatically speed the process up).

Regards,

Scott
Adrian, MI

Re: Mac conversion from PC

There is a WORLD of difference between switching to Linux and switching to a Mac.  While Linux has come a LONG way toward being more friendly to the non-geek population, it is still much more attuned to the geek population.  There are lots of the geek population that dealing with Linux is “just like dealing with Windows”, but they have never been a “typical user” and never will be so they really do not get that perspective.  Linux is still tougher to deal with.

The Mac OS is in many ways more easy to deal with than Windows, although it is pretty close.  You will give a lot of hassles by going to a Mac that you tend to have to deal with on a PC.  But, you are correct that there will be a learning curve and some ineffeciencies when switching.  How much so will vary greatly from person to person.  In reality, the Mac OS and Windows are not really all that different for the “core functions”.  The “devil is in the details”.  Generally, I find it tougher for a Windows person to go to a Mac than a Mac person going to a Windows computer.  For example, Mac people tend to learn to drag-copy/move stuff in the Finder from Finder window to Finder window, where as Windows people tend to do that stuff by way of copy and paste, which is not available in the Mac OS.  Since the Mac user can do the same thing in Windows, they do not have a problem...but the Windows person will have to learn to do it another way since the copy & paste way is not available in the Mac OS.

As to programs, you should find very little difference at all.  Word on the Mac is pretty much identical to Word on Windows.  Now, there is a HUGE exception to this...with Office 2007, Microsoft introduced a “ribbon” interface, which is DRAMATICALLY different.  And since they elected NOT to all a user the option of turning on the old menu structure, you had to cold turkey learn a new interface.  The Mac version, however, did NOT go to the “ribbon” interface (thankfully).  But, there is a good chance that many people are still on Office 2003, which is not much different that Office 2008 on the Mac interface-wise.

Overall, how steep a learning curve will be highly dependent on the individual.  I know some rather computer phobic/illiterate computer users who made the change with no trouble at all, but that was likely due to the fact that they basically used the computer for three things...Word, email and web browsing...and the extent of their file management stuff was saving the Word files to the default folder that Word would save them to...and never used the Finder/Windows Explorer to deal with/move files.  I also know “regular” users who struggle with the change.  And I know others who have little trouble.  It is largely a function of how well people adapt and learn new things.  I would use myself as an example of how easy it can be, but then we all know that I am not “normal” (in more ways than one <grin>).

Regards,

Scott
Adrian, MI


On 8/27/09 5:08 PM, "Jordan Truesdell, PE" <seaint2@truesdellengineering.com> wrote:

More to the point, switching to a Mac will not solve your PC issues (conflicts, errors, etc) overnight - it will simply change them for a different set, and you will be managing in a foreign environment to what you're used to.  I've dealt with macs a little, but not recently enough to discuss fine points. I've tried switching my home pc to Linux, and my daughter ran Ubuntu on "her" laptop (she's 7) for several months. This discussion comes up in other areas I play with (vocal work, voice overs) and there are always compatibility problems with Macs - as many as PCs, though that's anecdotal at best. Quite honestly, I haven't had a computer issue in my office (5 PCs and a server) for over 4 years. My software is backed up automatically, my network files are available when I'm out with laptop and don't have any wifi or cell service, and the one drive failure I had on our server was fixed and the office running normally in less than 30 minutes. I'm sure the same could be done with Macs, and I'm sure I would spend as many hours figuring it out as I did with my PC.

I don't know how you work, but you're looking at a steep learning curve and a good deal of lost time during the transition - just as you would with any software change. I would say the same to a Mac user considering Windows.  The better you are at managing Windows, the harder it will be to switch for work. If you've got a lot of time on your hands (say, 10 hours a week that's already spent with nothing to do during work), I'd say go for it. In three or four months you're likely to be getting close to where you were with a PC in productivity. Remember you'll want as much software native as possible, which means allocating S/W budget as well as hardware. A side note - at the level of machine we use as engineers, Macs are really no more expensive than 1st tier PCs, unless you're an insatiable bargain hunter (like me) and expect to get 50% off every time you buy something.

If you do it, however, don't pussy-foot around. Decide to do it and don't look back. That's how most failures start. Just remember to budget the extra time.

Jordan

Grathwol, Albert wrote:
   
Our PCs work great- no problems.
 
Al
 
 

 

From: SGE Structural [mailto:sgordin@sgeconsulting.com]
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:10 PM
 To: Seaint
 Subject: Re: Mac conversion from PC
 

 
Glenn:


 
 

The switch from PC to Mac will be a decision you are not likely going to regret. The reliability, usability, and security of Mac systems can significantly improve the day to day functions not just for regular consumers, but for structural engineering firms too. Almost all compatibility problems have been eliminated with the combination of existing Mac software and Windows virtualization products such as Parallels Desktop.
...
 
 


 
___________
Eugene Gordin, EIT
Doctoral Student
Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
 www.eugenegordin.com <http://www.eugenegordin.com/>
 
 

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Re: Mac conversion from PC

I won’t quibble with much, but I will quibble with some.

Your old PC runs at full speed (it has direct  access to your Mac's processor) and you can allocate how much memory you want  it to take up”

Yes and no.  While for the most part, you will get full speed running Windows through a VM program like Parallels, there IS a performance hit.  It is not anywhere near as bad a performance hit as when you ran Windows in an emulation program (like Virtual PC) on the older PowerPC platform, but there is one.  You will notice it most when going graphically intensive programs.  Prior to Parallels Desktop 4 (i.e. Version 3 and earlier) you did not even consider doing an real gaming in Windows running in Parallels...and this would have also largely effected things like AutoCAD, especially if you do 3D modeling in AutoCAD (or I would expect Revit).  This is supposedly a lot better in version 4 of Parallels, but it is still not the same as running Windows natively in Boot Camp.  Now, I am not saying that you cannot run the likes of AutoCAD in Parallels, but just be aware that you will take a bit of a performance hit, especially if you are trying to do some sort of a large 3D model.

As to Superduper, yes, it is a great program.  I use it as well for my Mac as my primary backup method (I use secondary and “thirdary” (is that tertiary?) methods as well).  But, you can nominally do the same thing on a PC.  I use True Image to clone my boot drives of my Windows boxes.  While it is tougher to do such a clone backup to a bootable external drive (because not all PCs have the ability to boot off USB...and even if they do, Windows can be a little finicky at times booting from USB), it can be done (I do it by way of an eSATA connection).  But, frankly for this type of backup, it is no problem to put the backup drive internally if the main drive hoses (you can clone to a USB drive just fine...just tend to have issues trying to boot from it on a PC) as you will likely be needing to replace the hosed drive anyway.  And I will note that generally speaking the cloning process on my PCs is WAY faster than on my Mac for a brand spanking new clone (Superduper can do “smart clones” were it updates the clone you have previously done, which can dramatically speed the process up).

Regards,

Scott
Adrian, MI


On 8/27/09 4:10 PM, "SGE Structural" <sgordin@sgeconsulting.com> wrote:

Glenn:

The switch from PC to Mac will be a decision you are not likely going to regret. The reliability, usability, and security of Mac systems can significantly improve the day to day functions not just for regular consumers, but for structural engineering firms too. Almost all compatibility problems have been eliminated with the combination of existing Mac software and Windows virtualization products such as Parallels Desktop.

While it true that structural engineers cannot completely abandon Windows, many advancements in this very area have opened the door for engineers to transition from PC to Mac.

In order to transfer your documents, programs, and program settings, you can actually convert your current PC into a virtual PC by using a program like Parallels Transporter. This virtual PC is basically just one big image file which can be opened on your Mac using Parallels Desktop. Parallels this week actually released a Switch To Mac edition of their software, which makes this transition (both documents and programs) completely painless. You can see a demo of how this Switch To Mac edition works, here <http://media.parallels.com/video/STM/demo/us/> .

Once you have completed this, you basically have your old PC running inside of a window on your new Mac. The beauty of this approach however, is fivefold:
  1. Your old PC runs at full speed (it has direct  access to your Mac's processor) and you can allocate how much memory you want  it to take up  
  2. All files, clipboard contents, and networks can  be shared between virtual PC's and your Mac (this makes it very easy to move  your documents from the virtual PC onto your Mac)  
  3. Due to an amazing feature called Coherence, you  can actually run Windows programs side by side with Mac applications (see a  demo of this here <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN9jNNeEd98> )  
  4. You can choose the level of isolation for the  virtual Windows machine (this means that viruses, spyware, etc which can  affect your Windows machine will not affect the files on your Mac)   
  5. Backing up your entire virtual Windows machine  is as simple as copying the image file to an external hard drive (in fact, any  backup of your Mac will subsequently backup your virtual PC too).  [Sidenote: one of the main (both business & consumer) advantages of  working on a Mac is the ability to create scheduled, incremental,  transferable, bootable backups (thanks to an amazing little  app called SuperDuper). This means that I can backup my MacBook Pro to an  external drive, plug that drive into any other intel Mac, boot from the  external, and have all of my files, applications, and settings ready to use at  full speed. This includes using my virtual PC created back on my MacBook Pro.  This means that if (G-d forbid) my MacBook's hard drive crashes, I can be  working as if nothing had happened off of my external on my (or anyone else's)  Mac. A truly robust design.]
With this setup, you can, at your own pace, slowly transition from your PC to your Mac, eventually only running the programs you absolutely have to in Windows (AutoCAD, MathCAD, etc). As Scott pointed out, spreadsheets on the Mac hit a bit of a snag with Office 2008 for Mac, which disabled VBA macros - but since you have access to your entire Microsoft Office suite in your virtual machine, you'll be fine until Office 2010 for Mac comes out (and includes VBA support).

Finally, keep in mind that excellent in-person support for your Mac, including the transition from your PC, is offered to any Apple customer via the Genius Bar <http://www.apple.com/retail/geniusbar/>  (for technical support), and One-to-One <http://www.apple.com/retail/onetoone/>  (for training on how to migrate to and use a Mac).
 
HTH,
 
_______________________________
Eugene Gordin, EIT
Doctoral Student
Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
www.eugenegordin.com <http://www.eugenegordin.com/>


Re: Mac conversion from PC

More to the point, switching to a Mac will not solve your PC issues (conflicts, errors, etc) overnight - it will simply change them for a different set, and you will be managing in a foreign environment to what you're used to.  I've dealt with macs a little, but not recently enough to discuss fine points. I've tried switching my home pc to Linux, and my daughter ran Ubuntu on "her" laptop (she's 7) for several months. This discussion comes up in other areas I play with (vocal work, voice overs) and there are always compatibility problems with Macs - as many as PCs, though that's anecdotal at best. Quite honestly, I haven't had a computer issue in my office (5 PCs and a server) for over 4 years. My software is backed up automatically, my network files are available when I'm out with laptop and don't have any wifi or cell service, and the one drive failure I had on our server was fixed and the office running normally in less than 30 minutes. I'm sure the same could be done with Macs, and I'm sure I would spend as many hours figuring it out as I did with my PC.

I don't know how you work, but you're looking at a steep learning curve and a good deal of lost time during the transition - just as you would with any software change. I would say the same to a Mac user considering Windows.  The better you are at managing Windows, the harder it will be to switch for work. If you've got a lot of time on your hands (say, 10 hours a week that's already spent with nothing to do during work), I'd say go for it. In three or four months you're likely to be getting close to where you were with a PC in productivity. Remember you'll want as much software native as possible, which means allocating S/W budget as well as hardware. A side note - at the level of machine we use as engineers, Macs are really no more expensive than 1st tier PCs, unless you're an insatiable bargain hunter (like me) and expect to get 50% off every time you buy something.

If you do it, however, don't pussy-foot around. Decide to do it and don't look back. That's how most failures start. Just remember to budget the extra time.

Jordan

Grathwol, Albert wrote:
Our PCs work great- no problems.
Al


From: SGE Structural [mailto:sgordin@sgeconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:10 PM
To: Seaint
Subject: Re: Mac conversion from PC

Glenn:

The switch from PC to Mac will be a decision you are not likely going to regret. The reliability, usability, and security of Mac systems can significantly improve the day to day functions not just for regular consumers, but for structural engineering firms too. Almost all compatibility problems have been eliminated with the combination of existing Mac software and Windows virtualization products such as Parallels Desktop.
...
___________
Eugene Gordin, EIT
Doctoral Student 
Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
www.eugenegordin.com

RE: Mac conversion from PC

Our PCs work great- no problems.
Al


From: SGE Structural [mailto:sgordin@sgeconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:10 PM
To: Seaint
Subject: Re: Mac conversion from PC

Glenn:

The switch from PC to Mac will be a decision you are not likely going to regret. The reliability, usability, and security of Mac systems can significantly improve the day to day functions not just for regular consumers, but for structural engineering firms too. Almost all compatibility problems have been eliminated with the combination of existing Mac software and Windows virtualization products such as Parallels Desktop.

While it true that structural engineers cannot completely abandon Windows, many advancements in this very area have opened the door for engineers to transition from PC to Mac.

In order to transfer your documents, programs, and program settings, you can actually convert your current PC into a virtual PC by using a program like Parallels Transporter. This virtual PC is basically just one big image file which can be opened on your Mac using Parallels Desktop. Parallels this week actually released a Switch To Mac edition of their software, which makes this transition (both documents and programs) completely painless. You can see a demo of how this Switch To Mac edition works, here.

Once you have completed this, you basically have your old PC running inside of a window on your new Mac. The beauty of this approach however, is fivefold: 
  1. Your old PC runs at full speed (it has direct access to your Mac's processor) and you can allocate how much memory you want it to take up 
  2. All files, clipboard contents, and networks can be shared between virtual PC's and your Mac (this makes it very easy to move your documents from the virtual PC onto your Mac)
  3. Due to an amazing feature called Coherence, you can actually run Windows programs side by side with Mac applications (see a demo of this here)
  4. You can choose the level of isolation for the virtual Windows machine (this means that viruses, spyware, etc which can affect your Windows machine will not affect the files on your Mac) 
  5. Backing up your entire virtual Windows machine is as simple as copying the image file to an external hard drive (in fact, any backup of your Mac will subsequently backup your virtual PC too). [Sidenote: one of the main (both business & consumer) advantages of working on a Mac is the ability to create scheduled, incremental, transferable, bootable backups (thanks to an amazing little app called SuperDuper). This means that I can backup my MacBook Pro to an external drive, plug that drive into any other intel Mac, boot from the external, and have all of my files, applications, and settings ready to use at full speed. This includes using my virtual PC created back on my MacBook Pro. This means that if (G-d forbid) my MacBook's hard drive crashes, I can be working as if nothing had happened off of my external on my (or anyone else's) Mac. A truly robust design.]
With this setup, you can, at your own pace, slowly transition from your PC to your Mac, eventually only running the programs you absolutely have to in Windows (AutoCAD, MathCAD, etc). As Scott pointed out, spreadsheets on the Mac hit a bit of a snag with Office 2008 for Mac, which disabled VBA macros - but since you have access to your entire Microsoft Office suite in your virtual machine, you'll be fine until Office 2010 for Mac comes out (and includes VBA support).

Finally, keep in mind that excellent in-person support for your Mac, including the transition from your PC, is offered to any Apple customer via the Genius Bar (for technical support), and One-to-One (for training on how to migrate to and use a Mac).
 
HTH,
 
_______________________________
Eugene Gordin, EIT
Doctoral Student 
Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
www.eugenegordin.com

Re: Mac conversion from PC

Glenn:

The switch from PC to Mac will be a decision you are not likely going to regret. The reliability, usability, and security of Mac systems can significantly improve the day to day functions not just for regular consumers, but for structural engineering firms too. Almost all compatibility problems have been eliminated with the combination of existing Mac software and Windows virtualization products such as Parallels Desktop.

While it true that structural engineers cannot completely abandon Windows, many advancements in this very area have opened the door for engineers to transition from PC to Mac.

In order to transfer your documents, programs, and program settings, you can actually convert your current PC into a virtual PC by using a program like Parallels Transporter. This virtual PC is basically just one big image file which can be opened on your Mac using Parallels Desktop. Parallels this week actually released a Switch To Mac edition of their software, which makes this transition (both documents and programs) completely painless. You can see a demo of how this Switch To Mac edition works, here.

Once you have completed this, you basically have your old PC running inside of a window on your new Mac. The beauty of this approach however, is fivefold: 
  1. Your old PC runs at full speed (it has direct access to your Mac's processor) and you can allocate how much memory you want it to take up 
  2. All files, clipboard contents, and networks can be shared between virtual PC's and your Mac (this makes it very easy to move your documents from the virtual PC onto your Mac)
  3. Due to an amazing feature called Coherence, you can actually run Windows programs side by side with Mac applications (see a demo of this here)
  4. You can choose the level of isolation for the virtual Windows machine (this means that viruses, spyware, etc which can affect your Windows machine will not affect the files on your Mac) 
  5. Backing up your entire virtual Windows machine is as simple as copying the image file to an external hard drive (in fact, any backup of your Mac will subsequently backup your virtual PC too). [Sidenote: one of the main (both business & consumer) advantages of working on a Mac is the ability to create scheduled, incremental, transferable, bootable backups (thanks to an amazing little app called SuperDuper). This means that I can backup my MacBook Pro to an external drive, plug that drive into any other intel Mac, boot from the external, and have all of my files, applications, and settings ready to use at full speed. This includes using my virtual PC created back on my MacBook Pro. This means that if (G-d forbid) my MacBook's hard drive crashes, I can be working as if nothing had happened off of my external on my (or anyone else's) Mac. A truly robust design.]
With this setup, you can, at your own pace, slowly transition from your PC to your Mac, eventually only running the programs you absolutely have to in Windows (AutoCAD, MathCAD, etc). As Scott pointed out, spreadsheets on the Mac hit a bit of a snag with Office 2008 for Mac, which disabled VBA macros - but since you have access to your entire Microsoft Office suite in your virtual machine, you'll be fine until Office 2010 for Mac comes out (and includes VBA support).

Finally, keep in mind that excellent in-person support for your Mac, including the transition from your PC, is offered to any Apple customer via the Genius Bar (for technical support), and One-to-One (for training on how to migrate to and use a Mac).
 
HTH,
 
_______________________________
Eugene Gordin, EIT
Doctoral Student 
Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
www.eugenegordin.com

Re: Wind load and pile depths for wooden fences (San Jose)

Since when are engrs witty?

Sent from my iPhone 3G

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Chuck Utzman <chuckutzman@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Conrad
> Brevity is the soul of wit.
>
> Conrad Harrison wrote:
>> Gil,
>>
>> I am not aware of any mandatory serviceability criteria in the steel
>> structures codes. Though they do suggest a need to recalculate all
>> section
>> properties for deflection checks. And getting nonlinear analysis to
>> converge
>> can get a structure to be a lot stiffer than would otherwise need
>> be. The
>> main serviceability criteria I have come across are those in the
>> crane code,
>> and the industrial stairways and platforms code, and industrial
>> racking
>> code: but these aren't buildings and AS1170 is primarily for
>> buildings and
>> its serviceability criteria are informative suggestions. Also aware
>> of
>> criteria for communications antenna and electricity power poles,
>> these based
>> on acceptable loss of service: but once again not buildings.
>>
>> Mandatory is also a matter of perspective. It is relative to the
>> needs of a
>> particular design. If check of deflections at the ultimate strength
>> loads
>> doesn't increase member size, then no need to carry out analysis
>> for smaller
>> wind loads. For small structures this may be the case because
>> cannot find a
>> smaller section to use to meet strength requirements alone. Also
>> changing
>> return period, changes Vz, which in turn changes qz (no longer in
>> code), so
>> can ratio serviceability and ultimate strength loads based on ratio
>> of
>> square of the velocities. Only complication is serviceability load
>> factors
>> and combinations. For simple structures not a major problem, and more
>> complex structures tend to use analysis software which permits easy
>> combination of load cases: and people have different ways in which
>> they use
>> such load case combination features of software: some inefficient.
>> Also
>> depends on how pedantic the building officials are, and if
>> everything has to
>> be written out to the letter of the code: like qz not in code
>> therefore
>> cannot use.
>>
>> Also I don't believe, alternative return periods has anything to do
>> with
>> accuracy. It is more to do with serviceability being a subjective
>> judgment
>> and dependent on the needs of the particular situation. Thus the
>> mandatory
>> 20 year mean return period for serviceability in the 1989 code,
>> changed to
>> recommendation in the 2002 code.
>>
>> A steel fabricators building with the main doors open in the rain
>> and wind,
>> needs to be serviceable under such conditions, a 20 year mean
>> return period
>> may not be adequate. But then the now 500 year mean return period for
>> ultimate strength design may achieve adequate level of
>> serviceability at the
>> desired operational wind load.
>>
>> The limit states: stability, strength and serviceability are really
>> broad
>> classes of states . There is a whole spectrum of limit states for a
>> building
>> or other structure, and each has differing performance criteria. It
>> is the
>> designers responsibility to determine what limit states and
>> performance
>> criteria need to be assessed. The loading code and BCA simply
>> mandate the
>> performance criteria for ultimate strength.
>>
>> Codes increase in complexity, so that application of more complex
>> theories
>> can be granted approval for compliance. But the individual users can
>> collapse that complexity down to suit the needs of their particular
>> activity. Competent building officials, can see the relationship
>> between the
>> simplifications and the complexity of the code. Day to day design
>> needs to
>> be practical, but do need some control for those more complex
>> proposals so
>> that not declared noncompliant. In that respect I think there
>> should be
>> multiple tiers to the codes.
>>
>> As for statistics. We have to deal with variance, uncertainty and
>> risk. We
>> have simply progressed : lies, damned lies and statistics. So now
>> using
>> statistics instead of lying about provision of safety. Safety never
>> present
>> only risk.
>>
>> Risk based design, fits better with your earlier view about over
>> regulation
>> to protect people tripping over own two feet. If choose to walk,
>> then have
>> the risk of tripping: if don't accept the risk, then don't walk.
>> Or the case of two youths fighting in stairwell. They fall down the
>> steps
>> and one becomes a paraplegic. The designer was held responsible
>> because the
>> handrail was 50mm lower than the standards specify. Such ignores the
>> statistical variation in heights of people and their arm length.
>> The code
>> specified heights can be a hazard to life for many people: if they
>> slip the
>> handrail could prove to be either too low or too high for the
>> individual
>> concerned to regain their balance: vertical infill rails may provide
>> something to grab. Specifying a specific height or height range
>> implies the
>> provision of safety to the lawyers and public. Further more the
>> height of
>> the handrail, may be uncomfortable for the user and be the direct
>> cause of a
>> fall.
>>
>> Quality robust design, aims to find a design solution which can
>> accommodate
>> variance in the operating environment of the end-product, as well as
>> variance in the production process, and variance in the design
>> process. It
>> requires a adding greater level of focus on the qualitative aspects
>> of
>> design, not just aesthetics, but the functional requirements, and
>> not just
>> function as regards strength and stiffness, but the point for
>> making the
>> thing in the first place. What is the purpose of a hand rail and
>> guard rail,
>> can they be integrated into the one object, or do they need to be
>> kept
>> separate? What is a house, does it simply provide shelter, and
>> shelter from
>> what?
>>
>> Routine design is simply to go with the codes, and follow tradition.
>> Progress comes from questioning the status quo, and changing
>> perspective:
>> design a car or mode of transport, design a house or a shelter.
>> Regression
>> also comes from same approach.
>>
>> Variance all around. Some think changes to wind loading code
>> stupid, others
>> don't. The writers of a quality robust code would have taken that
>> variance
>> into consideration when writing the code, to reduce opposition to
>> it. I
>> guess they didn't. Therefore code not quality robust: complexity
>> opposed by
>> many, and therefore likelihood of unwarranted errors in design
>> creeping in.
>> Using the code becomes risky.
>>
>> On the other hand the mandated requirements are also less certain,
>> because
>> code accommodates a greater variety of circumstances, for which
>> designers,
>> suppliers and end-users are all made more accountable. Therefore
>> variance
>> from compliance with the code more difficult to detect: providing
>> designers
>> with a lot more scope for innovation. Far better than mandated
>> prescription,
>> yet the designers have opportunity to create and develop more
>> prescriptive
>> solutions for efficiency in production.
>>
>> If codes are highly prescriptive and lock a great deal in, then no
>> need to
>> keep on producing calculations, only need to produce once, since
>> variance
>> from the input parameters and the results are not permitted. In
>> which case
>> remove time consuming prescription on calculations, and simply
>> specify
>> prescription on what can construct. No, no, too much regulation,
>> want to
>> innovate!
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Conrad Harrison
>> B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
>> mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
>> Adelaide
>> South Australia
>>
>>
>>
>>
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