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My Understanding is that the quadrant is 90 degrees. But need to draw two orthogonal axes for the building, and 8 cardinal/compass directions for the wind. The 4 orthogonal directions then experience the maximum wind in the quadrant defined by 45 degrees either side of the orthogonal axis.RegardsConrad
While we are on the subject of the FL PE Board, I have heard through the grape vine that the Governor is planning on passing some legislation in the next session that will dramatically change some of the FL PE rules.
Any truth to the rumors?
D. Matthew Stuart, P.E., S.E., F.ASCE, SECB
Senior Project Manager
Structural Department
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Engineers and Consultants - CMX
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Conrad,
I understand what you are saying from your perspective, but maybe I was not clearly stating the facts.
This was an actual case where the Florida Board had several counts (charges) against an engineer. One of the counts was for not considering C and C loading on roof members and their connections. Since I have never seen any MWFRS loading that would be greater than a C and C loading, the latter would always govern. I understand that with larger trib areas like 500sf they begin to converge. I am simply stating what was an official ruling by the FL Board of Engineers as to what loading should be considered. This was not a disagreement with a building official, of which we have nearly no interaction, nor do we submit calculations to the bldg department though we are required to provide wind loading info on our drawings (and provide pressure tables if there are elements to be designed by others). I don’t think the average building official here knows any differences between the two anyway, you could likely use whatever you wanted as long as you seal the drawings. The responsibility falls upon you to do it the “right way”, which according to the Board is C and C.
To me the difference between the two is hardly worth arguing or discussing anyway unless we are talking a major structure or something design that will be used hundreds of times. With very large structures they usually use wind tunnel pressures anyway. I know I have always designed roof members and connections as C and C as well as any other FL engineer I have worked with or talked to, but I have read yours and others arguments on the subject so understand your viewpoints. There have been some great theoretical discussions. But as I have seen many failures after hurricanes and thunderstorms at connections of wood trusses particularly, a slight amount of overdesign of a roof structure and the connections is a small price to pay (if it were allowed) to go with a slightly larger uplift pressure. Roof members and their connections, particularly trusses and uplift straps, are a very small percentage of the cost of your average home or small commercial building. They will spend way more on the kitchen then the whole roof….
Happy New Year to all!
Andrew Kester, PE
Orlando, FL
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Dear all
Wish you a happy & Prospers new year-2009.
Arun Kumar C,
Junior Engineer,
Unity Strucutral Engineering Design services,
Tel. 044-42695760,
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E-mail: <carunkumar@unity-usa.com>
Dear all,
Wish you a happy and prospers new year.
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ARUNKUMAR C
Great power comes with great responsibilities.
We had a debate in hurricane region in the Caribbean, and had to call in one of the experts who worked on the code to decipher our dispute. It turned out that the key word for discerning the affect of a region of wind flow is "quadrant" which is indeed a fourth of the area which is open to wind flow !
From: Jeff Smith <jeffsmith7@comcast.net>
To: seaint@seaint.org
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:22:36 PM
Subject: Wind Load Topographic Effects
I hope my wind questions are not wearing on the list. I am trying to
interpret section 6.5.7 Topographic Effects.
Mean Height exceeds least horiz dimension therefore use Method 2.
Considering a 20' square by 35 foot tall enclosed structure located about
50' downhill from a relatively level area (escarpment)at the top of a hill.
The downhill slope is about 3 to 1 and is generally open grasses for an area
about 200 feet wide and about 800 feet down the hill. Surrounding this open
area are dense tall redwood trees. I do not know the topography at the
bottom of the hill beyond the redwoods, however the slope does continued
down into the forested area, but where it levels off I do not know.
I am confused by items 1 and 2 of section 6.5.7.1
Is the hill considered to be obstructed by the large trees on the sides of
the open area and 800 feet down the hill?
How do I determine H and Ln?
At what point is the hill no longer a hill?
From a first pass I get ranges of Kzt of 2.54 for a 2 diminesional ridge,
1.85 for a 2-D escarpment. But if section 6.5.7.1 does not apply it would be
1.0.
Happy New Year.
Jeff
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Not to start a long-“winded” discussion on this subject, as it has been discussed and argued ad nauseam on the list before, but I thought I would share this info I just came across.
I am working on some required CEUs for my Florida PE, and in the course they do a case study and one of the items the engineer got in trouble for was related to the wind loading for roof members, “Components such as roof framing members and their connections must also be designed for ‘Component and Cladding Wind Loads’.”
So we can academically or theoretically have lots of discussions on the subject, but it is pretty clear how the Florida Board is interpreting this issue.
Regards and happy holidays!
Andrew Kester, PE
Orlando, FL
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Mean Height exceeds least horiz dimension therefore use Method 2.
Considering a 20' square by 35 foot tall enclosed structure located about
50' downhill from a relatively level area (escarpment)at the top of a hill.
The downhill slope is about 3 to 1 and is generally open grasses for an area
about 200 feet wide and about 800 feet down the hill. Surrounding this open
area are dense tall redwood trees. I do not know the topography at the
bottom of the hill beyond the redwoods, however the slope does continued
down into the forested area, but where it levels off I do not know.
I am confused by items 1 and 2 of section 6.5.7.1
Is the hill considered to be obstructed by the large trees on the sides of
the open area and 800 feet down the hill?
How do I determine H and Ln?
At what point is the hill no longer a hill?
From a first pass I get ranges of Kzt of 2.54 for a 2 diminesional ridge,
1.85 for a 2-D escarpment. But if section 6.5.7.1 does not apply it would be
1.0.
Happy New Year.
Jeff
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Topete [mailto:d.topete73@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 4:19 PM
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Re: Reindeer live loadRemember, the load is spread across the rails of the sleigh. Also, don't forget the temporary loading, hence Cd = 1.25.Pretty soon, every roof will be "green," and roof LL will be 100 psf minimum... Yay!On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 7:24 PM, <erik_g@cox.net> wrote:
Holy crap, I just realized that the 40psf for residential roof LL is not
sufficient for Santa. Since he will be loaded down w/ presents and all the
big reindeer and stuff.
I think we should lobby to have the LL changed to 60 psf for roof LL.
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