Friday, May 11, 2007

Re: ASCE 7-05 Wind Load and Publication Costs

The Nat'l Building Code of Canada is usually issued every 5 years
although the last one took 10 years as it involved a major change.
Cost of the Code and its Supplements is approx $300 Can, depending on
what version you buy-soft cover, 3 ring binder or CD. It comes from the
National Research Council of Canada. However it is a model code which
is then adopted as is or added to by the provinces. The Onario Building
Code which has added stuff on fire and life issues then costs approx
$200 depending on the version. Then you have to buy the standards
published by the Canadian Standards Association-steel, concrete design,
concrete materials, wood, aluminum, forming and shoring, welding, etc
which are all referred to in the codes but are separate documents, each
at roughly $100 plus. The above organisations are not government owned
but are non-profit(?) entities set up originally by gov't to operate
solely on their own and pay their own way. I think they do a good job,
the codes are very well written. My two cents worth.
Gary

Scott Maxwell wrote:
> Then don't buy the Manual of Concrete Practice or the AISC Design Guides
> or the AISC Steel Manual. None of those documents are REQUIRED. ACI 318
> is REQUIRED (if you do concrete design), but it is only PART of the MCP.
> The AISC Spec is REQUIRED (if you do steel design), but it is only PART of
> the AISC Steel Manual and is available for free. The rest of that stuff
> is in general stuff that is not really REQUIRED by law and are purely an
> optional purchase on your part. While they might make your life easier to
> do certain engineering tasks, they are not REQUIRED by law and you should
> be able to live without them.
>
> The basic required items in general are:
>
> IBC (about $100)
> ASCE 7 (about $100)
> ACI 318 (little over $100 if I remember correctly)
> NDS (about $30 if I remember correctly)
> MSJC ($95)
> AISC Specs (free)
> relavent ASTM docs (you can get a book of relavant ASTM concrete docs from
> ACI and relavant ASTM steel docs from AISC and relavant ASTM
> masonry docs from TMS...I believe...so you don't need the entire
> ASTM set of books)
> and maybe a few others depending on what type of work that you do
>
> And some of those are not needed depending on the type of projects that
> you might do. If you don't do wood design, then you don't need the NDS.
>
> All told that is about $500 to $1000 about every three years (although the
> AISC stuff is not on a "fixed" schedule and neither is the NDS, I
> believe...and ASCE 7 is going to a 5 to 6 year cycle in the future).
> While that is not some small change, it is still not all that bad. We all
> pay MUCH more for gas to be able to drive to tons of optional things.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
> Adrian, MI
>
>
> On Wed, 9 May 2007, Jordan Truesdell, PE wrote:
>
>
>> How about a law to make the documents public domain, and pay them
>> nothing in the future so that they'll stop changing shit every 3 years?
>>
>> (BTW - wood, masonry, and cold formed are the cheap ones. Pop for a copy
>> of aluminum, manual of concrete practice, and the AISC plus with design
>> guides! Ouch.)
>>
>> As for ongoing changes and corrections, my state makes changes to every
>> single "model" code that gets adopted. Let those groups fix the typos.
>> Oh, and get off my lawn! $!^&*# kids...
>> *hrumph*
>>
>> Jordan
>>
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