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-----Original Message-----
From: Luz-Renaissance
To: seaint@seaint.org
Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:22 am
Subject: RE: ASCE 7-05 Errors
Please delete my email to your mailing list. Thank you. Luz -----Original Message----- From: Harold Sprague [mailto:spraguehope@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:12 PM To: seaint@seaint.org Subject: RE: ASCE 7-05 Errors Mark, We have called ourselves to task on the issue of commentary. Development of commentary is a top priority for the BSSC for this cycle. There is a lot of review of the provisions. In spite of our reviews, it was perceived not to be adequate among the code developers. The review is becoming more of a priority and is a paid position. The code developers are a very conscientious and dedicated group. Regards, Harold Sprague >From: Mark Gilligan <m_k_gilligan@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: <seaint@seaint.org> >To: seaint@seaint.org >Subject: RE: ASCE 7-05 Errors Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:18:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Harold > >With all due respect the justification for code >changes are frequently not clearly documented and the >documentation is often not availible to the users. All >too often I am frustrated in my ability to understand >the reason for a code provision due to the lack of >documentation. > >Code change proposals are often influenced by the >group dynamic of the committee and reflect political >compromises. I have seen this up front. The process >by which a committee drafts changes creates the >conditions which lead to mistakes. > >When the "Blue Book" was revised in 1988 an editorial >committee of 2 to 3 people went over the text to make >sure it was clear and reflected the intent of the >committee. > >Given that the committee members are typically not >paid, the lack of proofing the documents has less to >do with the costs and more to do with where the >committee decided to focus its efforts. If the >leadership of the Committee chair does not understand >the need for checking it won't happen. > >Another tool that showed a potential to help >understand the logical flaws of standards was the work >done by Steven Fenves on expressing the AISC code in a >decision table format. This work was done about 30 >years ago. > > > >******* ****** ******* ******** ******* ******* ******* *** >* Read list FAQ at: http://www.seaint.org/list_FAQ.asp >* >* This email was sent to you via Structural Engineers >* Association of Southern California (SEAOSC) server. To >* subscribe (no fee) or UnSubscribe, please go to: >* >* http://www.seaint.org/sealist1.asp >* >* Questions to seaint-ad@seaint.org. Remember, any email you >* send to the list is public domain and may be re-posted >* without your permission. Make sure you visit our web >* site at: http://www.seaint.org >******* ****** ****** ****** ******* ****** ****** ******** _________________________________________________________________ Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ ******* ****** ******* ******** ******* ******* ******* *** * Read list FAQ at: http://www.seaint.org/list_FAQ.asp * * This email was sent to you via Structural Engineers * Association of Southern California (SEAOSC) server. To * subscribe (no fee) or UnSubscribe, please go to: * * http://www.seaint.org/sealist1.asp * * Questions to seaint-ad@seaint.org. Remember, any email you * send to the list is public domain and may be re-posted * without your permission. Make sure you visit our web * site at: http://www.seaint.org ******* ****** ****** ****** ******* ****** ****** ******** ******* ****** ******* ******** ******* ******* ******* *** * Read list FAQ at: http://www.seaint.org/list_FAQ.asp * * This email was sent to you via Structural Engineers * Association of Southern California (SEAOSC) server. To * subscribe (no fee) or UnSubscribe, please go to: * * http://www.seaint.org/sealist1.asp * * Questions to seaint-ad@seaint.org. Remember, any email you * send to the list is public domain and may be re-posted * without your permission. Make sure you visit our web * site at: http://www.seaint.org ******* ****** ****** ****** ******* ****** ****** ********