at a real-life productive person. I think the Dear Professor needs a lesson
in humility. He is quite pompous. The quote was uncalled for, IMHO.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Comfort [mailto:jcomfort@ggbse.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:51 AM
> To: seaint@seaint.org
> Subject: RE: WTC Studies-Structural Aspects
>
> I find it interesting that you guys focused on the "moral
> corruption" quote from the article rather than the following
> excerpt: "New York building codes would have prevented the
> towers' flimsy design, he (Astaneh) said, but federal laws
> allowed engineers to ignore those codes. The same exception
> has been granted to developers of New York's Freedom Tower,
> which will replace the World Trade Center."
>
> In my opinion, this is a more important item of discussion
> and really is the basis for Dr. Astaneh's "moral corruption" quote.
>
> Can someone with better knowledge about the design exceptions
> granted to both the original towers and the new tower provide
> a summary of them?
>
> Josh Comfort, P.E.
> Golden, Graper & Burton, Inc.
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Feather [mailto:PFeather@se-solutions.net]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:27 AM
> To: seaint@seaint.org
> Subject: RE: WTC Studies-Structural Aspects
>
>
> I too am a little disappointed with the articles and the
> tone. Leslie Robertson is a world class engineer, the
> buildings (WTC) a true marvel of modern engineering.
>
> It is always easy to go back in hindsight to try and say "I
> would have done this different", or "if only they had..."
>
> This is one of the real differences between design and study;
> in design you make decisions and create. Having done my
> share of unique problems and large scale projects, cost is
> always an issue. Part of good engineering design is to seek
> graceful, constructable, least cost solutions. This is a
> long way from moral corruption. I guess if you have not been
> there and done that, as we say, you cannot appreciate the
> process or judge from experience.
>
> Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your point of view,
> expecting some lunatic crazed religious fanatics to go to
> such extremes to try and destroy your work did not become a
> part of the design lexicon until after this event. It
> certainly was not part of the collective consciousness at the
> time Leslie designed the buildings; we still thought only in
> terms of accidents.
>
> I would expect a far more unbiased objective evaluation based
> on real concepts.
>
> Paul Feather PE, SE
> pfeather@SE-Solutions.net
> www.SE-Solutions.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Wright [mailto:chrisw@skypoint.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:32 AM
> To: seaint@seaint.org
> Subject: Re: WTC Studies-Structural Aspects
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2007, at 3:14 AM, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl wrote:
>
> > Yesterday, I presented the results of our 5-year studies of
> structural
> > aspects of the World Trade Center in Sibley Auditorium of
> UC Berkeley.
> > Articles in the Oakland Tribune, Contra Costa Times, and San Jose
> > Mercury News cover the main items of my presentation.
>
> I don't know about California but Florida and Minnesota make
> defamatory public pronouncements (such as accusations of 'moral
> corruption') a violation of professional standards of
> conduct. The proper place for Astaneh-Asl's criticism is a
> peer-reviewed journal where the evidence can be presented and
> reviewed in detail. The articles contain nothing substantive,
> only vague allegations of negligence and misconduct with no
> basis for reaching objective conclusions.
>
> Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at
> chrisw@skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen.
> .......................................| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania
> 1864)
> http://www.skypoint.com/~chrisw/
>
>
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